Jason Kiper-what a pleasant experience

I'm looking for any information from people who have had to contact the FBI internet fraud division. Since one party of a trade (me!) never received anything in return, I would assume that it falls under fraud statutes. It doesn't come down to getting something misrepresented, or maybe not quite up to my standards. It involves receiving absolutely nothing in return. I believe this would constitute fraud? Let me hear other persons experiences. Thanks.

i'm responding now,because this is the first time i've been on this site,since my last responce.
i have NEVER ripped anyone off before and i sure dont plan on starting now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you know damn well i received 2 pkgs of dead herps right before/and or after our deal was in the process.you know i just dont want any more problems.watch your weather-when the  high temps in pheonix,are 85 for 3 days in a row-i'll let you know your tracking # and ship promply.
if you or anyone has anything to say to me please e-mail me directly,as i will no longer be attending this site.i'm not going to take part in this soap opra,or any others.this site had great potential in the beginning,but has gone down hill badly!!!!!and i will nolonger take part!!!
just a reassurance-------you WILL NOT,now or ever,be ripped off by me(Jason Kiper)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i stick by my word---just dont appreciate this BS..............Jason Kiper

From accuweather.com:

Chandler, AZ (~20 miles from Phoenix):
Tuesday     high 86
Wednesday high 79
Thursday    high 79
Friday        high 84
Saturday    high 87
Sunday      high 86

 Or make it easy on yourself and deposit $125 (original price I asked, not including shipping- I'll eat the shipping) into PayPal: brupert@rochester.rr.com, and I'll post that all debts are paid in full.

I do not know who is guilty or what.
I just want to say that come the middle of 2005 I will be back in phoenix.

Not to defend anyone but.
Chandler is quite a way from phoenix.  15-20 I think.
But anyway instead of checking the weather for chandler....
Check the weather for phoenix.....Because all shipments will be going out of phoenix.

Weather you are in Glendale, Sun City, Tempe, Mesa, or chandler...all shipments go out of phoenix.

And as a side note.  PlayBoy elected Arizona State University (ASU) as the number one Party school in the USA.  I can't wait to get back there and visit my old stomping grounds. he he he he look out here I come

I have checked the temps for Phoenix, and they have been all within about 5 degrees of what was predicted in Chandler. Also, if the temps are so high, why was he advertising several times that he would ship out on Mondays, if he was PayPaled by Sunday? There were at least 2 ads I found, all within the last month. Just do a search under the member name "jay" in all open forums for the last month and you will see his ads.

Well I guess sence my name was thrown into this I will add a responce. I guess I may have been telling the truth about him and just to think all those people said that Jay would never do such a thing. He said he has never ripped anyone off well I know I got ripped off and now it has happened to someone else. NO ONE LISTENED. Now he has his feelings hurt and says that he will never come back to this sight. Well I have something to say about that...... Dont let the websight hit you on the way out!! Well I guess I have made my little schpeel so I will go to bed now..



        Thanks, Jody Wooten

An update:
 I recieved the following e-mail form Jason on October 4th:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Kiper" <jaykiper666@hotmail.com>
To: <snakes@rochester.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: trade


> oh my god,its way too cold to ship!!!!!!!!!!!!
> no,just kidding!!!the temps did drop drasticly yesterday and today.if it
> werent fri.i'd ship today..............
> the temps are to go back in the 90's beginning of next week,but if the
> weathers working for us hopefuly by the end of thiscomeing week i'll be
able
> to ship and then i expect a full apology-on the boi..........


Guess what? It's now the 15th, and I still haven't received anything, including any more e-mails.
Jason, again I say, you have 3 choices:
1. Ship me my snakes before it is too cold here for me to receive them.
2. Send me my House Snakes back, in as good of condition as you received them from me.
3. Deposit $125 into my PayPal account.

&nbsp;I have also received communications from 2 other people who said that Jason owes them snakes. I agreed to not bring them into this, but I'm sure one is on the verge of posting, if he doesn't receive his animals soon.

&nbsp;If anyone wants to check the weather in Phoenix, go to accuweather.com

&nbsp;This will be a continuing saga until there is a satifactory resolution: I receive healthy snakes (either the Hognoses or my House Snakes back), I receive $125, or I am notified by the authorities that an appearance ticket has been served.

Stay tuned.

I just checked, and it's suppused to be in the mid-80's from Thursday of this week throught the beginning of next week (10/17 - 10/21). &nbsp;So, Jay, are you going to ship now, or what?

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Oh my...it's a good thing my deal with Mr. Kiper turned out the way it did and not worse. I have to admit, I did get a really bad feeling after Western Unioning him the money (spending an extra $25 or so) for an adult female monocled cobra or its price would raise to $200 instead of $150. Yeah, I know I shouldn't have, but I was desperate for a female. His description of this snake was that it was a $400 snake, perfect condition, c.b., awesome animal. I guess I should have checked AZ laws before I bought it from him, since it's illegal to own any exotic vens and probably native too. So anyway, the snake arrived in a 4" tall by 6" long by 4" deep box, and this snake is somewhere around 5'!!! Yeah, she was crammed in there. Immediately I'm afraid that the snake is going to be dead, so I open the box, no cushion, just pillowcase and an angry cobra. I open the box, and guess what I see! An adult monocled cobra, slightly emaciated, TICKS (exotic, not native, meaning she was definitely w.c.), scarring, lumps, etc etc, and she's a venomoid! Wow, I was surprised. So after rushing her to the vet and getting her treated for the ticks, internal parasites, and possible mites as larval mites were found in a fecal float, we test her to see if she's a venomoid. She is. This can go a good way, and it can go a bad way. The snake still had stitches on the sides of it's head, so it was done very recently. I was afraid she would refuse food. Well, fortunately it turns out that she is a venomoid, she eats very well, and is really starting to pick weight back up. She has been through one shed, though she needed a bit of help with it. I wrote Jason telling him all this, and he actually told me that he thought it looked kinda funny, but it was his first cobra so he didn't know. He then said if he knew it was a venomoid he would have either kept it or charged me more!! lol. He had no comments to say about her poor condition. So anyway, I've had her for a month or better now, and even have a bf for her. She's a doll really. Very easy to handle, never strikes, and eats prekilled rats like they're going out of style. So this situation could have easily turned out in a bad way (i.e. the snake dying from her awful condition) but instead I was fortunate enough in being able to turn it around. So here's a lesson for anyone reading, before buying a venomous snake (or any snake really), GET PICTURES, MAKE SURE IT'S LEGAL, and for the love of whatever have some reason to trust the person. I'm very happy that I got his snake out of his hands where it probably would have met it's fate, and that she's well on her way back to good health. Hopefully her babies will exibit her awesome temperament.
-Chance Duncan
http://rvsnakes.garbersoft.net

OK, my turn.

I am one of the other two peolple that Jay has outstanding trades with. In my case I traded non-herp related items for 5 snakes (1.1 West. Hogs and 3 unsexed cal kings)

I shipped my items to his old residence in WI. He did tell me that he was moving and that he would ship when he got settled. After scanning the BOI and finding no post against him, I decided to trust him. "No news is good news" didnt work out this time. It is now October 16th and I still do not have my snakes. THe last email I got last week stated that he would ship in the begining of this week. Now I get one today:
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To: spam_dsrattlesandthings@yahoo.com, herpavianrefuge@yahoo.com, snakes@rochester.rr.com
Subject: debts
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Hi-sorry this e-mail is kind of impersonal,but i've had a family
emergency,and must return to WI for a short time.i should be back home
within 2 wks.their are 3 of you that have pending deals with me(all of
you
are receiving this e-mail)i will contact each of you directly when i
return,with an e-mail or a call if you leave your number.the weather
better
be decent upon my return and all deals will be taken care of.
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Now we are looking at at least another 2-3 weeks before I get my end of the trade. I think waiting almost 4 months to wrap this trade up is long enough.

Either send me the snakes or Paypal me $200!!!

Should I wait another two weeks? Or should I get together with the other two "victims" and go to the authorities and charge him with Fraud? I like to think most people are honest and that this whole time frame is just a series of high temp and life events that prevented him from honoring his end of the trade, but this is way too long. I started to get questions popping in my head about him after about 2 months, but I checked the temps in AZ and they were too hot to ship. But they haven't been for the past few days. He could have shipped anytime this week and been finished with all three of us.

This has gone on way too long!