Venomoid in/near Indiana?

I was hoping anyone could refer me to a vet who does the venomoid operation in or near Indiana. Thank you in advance.

Creating venomoids is cruel to the animal and creates a false sense of security as the animal may still be able to envenomate you. Venomoids are banned in several countries due to ethical concerns.

I would also avoid the venomoid route as the venom aides in the digestive process for some if not all venomous animals. It is not only a cruel treatment, it is also detrimental to the health of the animal.

If you want to get into venomous, just commit to it and get the proper training if you don't already have training.

Originally Posted by Donald C

I would also avoid the venomoid route as the venom aides in the digestive process for some if not all venomous animals. It is not only a cruel treatment, it is also detrimental to the health of the animal.

If you want to get into venomous, just commit to it and get the proper training if you don't already have training.

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I've already read up on updated info on the matter, (to include lingering hazards to both handler and animal).

Look, if you aren't willing to bring yourselves up to date, that's your concern. But at least research it (by that, I mean actually read multiple sources and look at multiple sides of the arguement) before just tossing an opinion out there.

Now that we have THAT out of the way, does anyone have the info I requested?

Actually, maybe I SHOULD clarify something, since this is already creating an argument. I require that said veterinarian uses the Hoser method, or any expounded upon the Hoser method. Thank you in advance.

There is a reason that very, very few veterinarians perform this operation. I believe that you can count them all on one hand. Bottom line, is that very few vets would perform any sort of venomoid operation, due in part to the liability issue with working on venomous and in part due to the delicacy and undesirability of the operation.

Also, I would be very dubious of anything that Raymond Hoser has espoused or touched, were I you.

Naturally, you wouldn't. Nevermind that it has been successfully replicated time and again, by different veterinarians since, oh, I don't know, 2004 or 2005? And had resounding success in rendering them relatively harmless, so long as standard precautions are taken until residues are gone (kinda reminds me of the warning the surgeon gave me before getting my vasectomy, how I need to be careful for so long afterward or I might randomly father a kid). Or the fact that science has already proven that venom isn't required by vipers for digestion, that the effect it has on breaking down tissues simply aids the snake in being able to swallow even larger meals, compared against, say, pythons or colubrids of similar size. Also nevermind that a reduced, eventually negated risk of envenomation would obviously make handling one of these snakes (when handling is necessary - since I propably needed to add THAT "disclaimer") much less dangerous for not only the handler, but also the snake, due to reduced chance of accidentally hurting the animal with the very tools used to defend yourself with when handling it.

I didn't expect to find many vets, let alone one near me, given the extreme danger being a liability. I asked on here because I was HOPING to get helpful info, while instead I'm getting roadblocks by good ol' boys who percieve someone as being recklessly naive of the lethality of such a beautiful creature, and of the respect due it for exactly that reason (it being a living, breathing thing goes without saying).

On this note, I distinctly remember that as I was making my account on this forum, a moderator was running a survey, asking members' general views of this site. He blatantly stated his concern that perhaps the older and longer-time members are running off new members due to an "old club" mentality. I am beginning to see why he was concerned.

Originally Posted by Arctophile117

I'm getting roadblocks by good ol' boys who percieve someone as being recklessly naive of the lethality of such a beautiful creature, and of the respect due it for exactly that reason (it being a living, breathing thing goes without saying).

Backreading now and I'm just endlessly amused by this. It sounds like you are aware of the lethality, but I'm not sure having its teeth removed just so you can keep it as a pet is showing it any respect at all. On the contrary, altering an animal's natural state for your own desires is one of the most selfish things you can do.

And I'm not sure what your definition of a good ol' boy is in this hobby, but I'll have had my first snake for a year in February, so I doubt I'm it. I just have some common sense and actual love and respect for these animals as living beings instead of toys or trinkets that can be modified for my own purposes.

Originally Posted by BlueCrowned

On the contrary, altering an animal's natural state for your own desires is one of the most selfish things you can do.

That there is a bit of a slippery slope, I think the PETA folk would say that these critters are wild, and keeping them as pets is selfish (I don't agree). I myself would not keep either venomoids or venomous, but that's a subject for a different thread I think.

In any case even though venomoids are a bit of a hot topic, if we all respect one another and this wonderful site we have, a discussion might be interesting. Feelings run strong and I'm not sure minds will be changed, but putting info out there can be useful. Info about gland regrowth for instance is enormously useful, as someone who has not yet heard of the possibility may have their very lives saved by reading this thread.