Is it ethical to sell

yes, most super motleys I've seen have the underdeveloped lower jaw or blunt head/bulging eye look to them. I do know someone that has an adult super (I think it's 5 or 6 years old by now?) from the central motley line.

I'm hoping to make some super jungles myself in another 2 years or so, whenever my female is big enough. I've always wanted one since I saw them in the Boa Constrictor Manual. I bought lines that had been outcrossed, so they are 2 generations outcrossed from the founding PK stock and I believe the founding jungle males came from different PK litters but I cannot prove that part. Time will tell if that is enough to make any difference.

I agree they look good and are not deformed, but if we can fix the sterile issue with outcrossing, it is probably not a good idea to breed jungle X jungle for a few more generations. To each his own on that one, but I will not be doing any jungle X jungle breedings. I think Steve Ihrig has a good thing going with breeding his jungles to imported boas.

Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I'm hoping to make some super jungles myself in another 2 years or so, whenever my female is big enough. I've always wanted one since I saw them in the Boa Constrictor Manual. I bought lines that had been out crossed, so they are 2 generations out crossed from the founding PK stock and I believe the founding jungle males came from different PK litters but I cannot prove that part. Time will tell if that is enough to make any difference.

I have been looking in heading the same direction. I have information from a very reliable source that tells me there has been some successful super jungle breeding's.

I agree with Chris. It is unethical to even produce them, BUT, only if you are aware of their mortality rate. That being said, with so many people buying them with no research into their history, who's to say they are even aware of the problems?

Ignorance is bliss.

Originally Posted by crotalusadamanteus

Ignorance is bliss.

Yeah to the people selling them

Two female Super Jungles have produced. I cannot recall any names off the top of my head. I know one litter was premature and only one baby survived, the other one, I believe had more, but I cannot say for certain.

It is not the ideal results, but it is results nevertheless.

Also, I agree it is unethical to produce Super Motleys on purpose. The gene does not behave and Supers have shown up without Motley X Motley breedings, but, personally, I'd cull the animals if they did pop up.

While CA Super Motleys have lived longer, they suffer similar issues and are often much smaller and weaker than their counterparts.

That all said ... if, for whatever reason, you feel the need to sell Super Motleys, I do think you should make the buyer aware regardless.