Here is the back and forth, between Chad Suttmiller (Chad Lewis Suttmiller) of Deltona, Florida and myself. You can see that I kept this very positive (and professional), and gave every opportunity for him to call me back or email me back. Basically this guy got 4 animals worth at least $4,000 on a breeding loan, as a result of the altruism of someone (heck I even paid to ship them), and decided to keep them versus honoring his commitment. No one in the hobby should interact with this person.
On 9/11/2014 5:32 PM, Cordylus wrote:
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> Chad,
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> Keep hoping to hear from you. If the animals have died, were traded or you no longer have them, then let me know and you can pay me for them (or if you just want to keep them). $500 each would be a fair price, in Europe these go for more than that.
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> I am sure you are a busy person, I know that I am as well (I have 3 small kids ages 7,4 and 18 months) as well as a demanding job, but this really has become kind of a faith diminishing experience for me. I sent these animals to you in good faith, and had your assurance that we had a collaborative agreement on them. As recently as this summer you pledged to send them back in September. The hobby both in the US and Europe really only functions when people keep their word, and a good reputation really can open or close a lot of doors with fellow hobbyists.
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> I remain hopeful that you will honor your commitment to me, and that it is some kind of atypical turmoil or extenuating circumstances that has prevented you from communicating back with me on a timely basis.
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> I will probably be down in your area in the next few weeks, and would love to get the chance to talk with you and see your collection, and get a chance to meet you live.
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> Thanks,
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> Nathan
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> On 7/8/2014 2:48 AM, Big Junk wrote:
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>>>>> Buddy I work and travel quite a bit I'm not avoiding you I am extremely busy ..Its 238 in the am and this is when I have my free time crazy enough.. Lets keep the threatening tones to a minimum there's entirely to much of that stuff floating around especially in this hobby...As far as wrapping things up there is never any guarantee how successful a project can be I'm at there pace they are not at mine.I never force any breeding etc unless the animals are in great health and compatible . Ive had reasonable success with one pair the other not so much neonates are finicky in my opinion for a phelsuma..I can send you 2.2 in September plus neonates roughly 4 months ...
>>>>> I will contact you soon
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> On Jul 7, 2014 7:28 PM, "Cordylus" <cordylus@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Chad,
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>>>>> Called again and left a message. I would appreciate a call back - 615 XXX XXXX,
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>>>>> Let's get this wrapped up, I think there are two options here.
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>>>>> 1. Send the animals back, or send sexable young animals.
>>>>> 2. Let's agree on a price per animal, and you can send that payment to me.
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>>>>> This shouldn't be that tough, and I would like to wrap it up and move on.
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>>>>> I travel with some frequency for work to that area of Florida and have a good friend that lives close to you, so I/he could pick up the animals if that is a barrier here.
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>>>>> Let's touch base, get this solved and move on.
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>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/3/2014 5:41 PM, Nathan Manwaring wrote:
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>>>>>> Chad,
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>>>>>> No super hurry, let's connect after 4rth of July. Thanks for the note. I think you have small kids like I do, so is not always easy to get time for a phone conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan
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>>>>>> On 7/3/2014 4:43 PM, Big Junk wrote:
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>>>>>>> Sorry when I'm on jobsite I use company phone so I had left mine in room...
>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2014 8:11 AM, "Nathan Manwaring" <ntmanwaring@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Chad,
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>>>>>>> Tried calling the number below, give me a call when you get a chance. 615 XXX XXXX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Shoot me a phone #Fwd: Checking in with you.
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:41:42 -0400
>>>>>>> From: Big Junk <klemmeri36@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: cordylus@XXXXX,com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 386-801-7582 in the evenings
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2014 8:12 PM, <ntmanwaring@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Chad,
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>>>>>>> Shoot me a phone #, and good times to call.
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>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
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>>>>>>>> From: chad suttmiller <suttmillerd@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: June 21, 2014 at 2:11:00 PM EDT
>>>>>>>> To: <cordylus@XXXX.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Checking in with you...on P. flavigularis and P. breviceps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Use this email
klemmeri36@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> All is well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 20:43:17 -0400
>>>>>>>> From:
ntmanwaring@yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> To:
suttmillerd@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Checking in with you...on P. flavigularis and P. breviceps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chad,
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>>>>>>>> I thought I would check in to see if maybe things had cleared up from your Family Crisis, I wanted to touch base on the P. flavigularis. It has been 3 years of breeding loan, and it sounds like you have had some breeding success with the P. flavigularis, so I would be interested in getting some sexable subadults or the adult breeders back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2014 12:36 AM, chad suttmiller wrote:
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>>>>>>>> I've had a tragic family event occur recently so my reply will be apologeticly quick all is well I've had to get a few more breviceps to help curb aggression.
>>>>>>>> Flavigularus are now in stride after a bout of duds..I work with all phelsuma except a few larger type.
>>>>>>>> I will get back soon
>>>>>>>> Chad
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>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:32:10 -0400
>>>>>>>> From:
cordylus@XXXX.com
>>>>>>>> To:
suttmillerd@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Checking in with you...on P. flavigularis and P. breviceps.
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chad,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thought I would do a check in to see how the male P. breviceps and breeding group of 4 P. flavigularis are doing. Any breeding, last year it sounded like you had good P. flavigularis eggs. Any breviceps success?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What else are you working with?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope all is well,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan