What Morph's Can and Cannot Produce offspring?

If this topic has been covered before, excuse my ignorance. I'm just now learning about BP's and their Morph's.

This all started when I saw a Auction for a BP that was priced very low a "Female Desert" no where in the ad/auction did it state that this was not a breedable female. It was stated by another member to my surprise that this type of BP has not produced any offspring as of yet.

So with that in mind, what other Morph's don't produce yet? And why? Why would a color "Morph" keep an animal from being able to produce? I just don't get it!

Are there other snakes that cannot breed for whatever reason? I'm not talking about natural Gay snakes (I'm sure there are Gay snakes around :-), I mean why not, I've heard of other animals that don't produce from year to year) for what ever reason they don't ever breed.

What about snakes that consistently slug out every year? Any idea's?

How would you know if someone on Here or other places are trying to sell you a Gay snake? Is it only safe to buy proven? How do you limit the risk of buying a Morph that won't produce?

Just because an animal can't produce doesn't make it "gay". There are problems when we as breeders play god with these animals. Constant line breeding and inbred animals tend to develop issues. Such as the desert females. Its not the color morph that makes it not viable. There is something internal that prevents it from producing viable eggs. The end result is either death to the snake or she slugs out. As far as other reptiles I don't know. I do know there are several other ball python morphs that have deformaties but don't prevent them from being bred. Like the spider wobble, caramel kink, etc.

Originally Posted by tbgnc22

Just because an animal can't produce doesn't make it "gay".

The term "Gay" in this post was meant to be Metaphor for humorous purposes.

So what you're saying is that inbreeding is a cause for these so called "Gay" snakes? Ie: line breeding/inbreeding....

What other BP's are prone to this?

Your attempt at humor failed, and your choice of terminology is generally considered derogatory...putting it in quotes doesn't help. I'm sure you can manage to make your point without continuing to

Originally Posted by hhmoore

Your attempt at humor failed, and your choice of terminology is generally considered derogatory...putting it in quotes doesn't help. I'm sure you can manage to make your point without continuing to

I don't consider the word "Gay" to be derogatory in any way shape or form. Maybe in your mind, my expression failed, so be it! You aren't adding anything to the discussion except your view of me using a word that maybe you don't like!

I would hope there are other individuals with a sense of humor, (obviously different from yours) that can get past the blatant obvious wording of my post and respond in-kind.

So I just say this if you don't have anything to add to the discussion of my actual post and are offended by my use of the word "GAY" Maybe you shouldn't participate in this little ole thread! It's really easy to do....just ignore it! It doesn't get much easier than that!

Or is this forum run by mod's that only let people participate, if they only use words they approve of? Am I breaking a Fauna rules? I guess if you ban me you could get your point across. But then again my original thread about "What Morph's Can and Cannot Produce offspring" would never really be answered.... I guess you could move me into the "General BS forum" or "Just For Laughs" or would I still be scrutinized for using the word "GAY" in a thread?

Humorlessness people that can't offer insight into the real topic need not respond! It's that simple!

So with that in mind, what other Morph's don't produce yet? And why? Why would a color "Morph" keep an animal from being able to produce?

Am I breaking a Fauna rules

Let's see... 1) antagonizing a moderator
Guess I don't need to count beyond that one.

Here's your chance to show a little common sense - blow it, and you're gone for a few days.

I changed my mind - next time, think before you click Submit

I was waiting for that.

Originally Posted by tbgnc22

Constant line breeding and inbred animals tend to develop issues. Such as the desert females. Its not the color morph that makes it not viable. There is something internal that prevents it from producing viable eggs. The end result is either death to the snake or she slugs out.

The developmental issues in desert females has nothing to do with inbreeding or line breeding. You could have the most outcrossed, genetically strong desert female in the world yet she will still have a constricted oviduct, making it impossible for her to lay fertile eggs. Desert females DO produce viable eggs... however, they must be surgically removed. This defect is tied to the gene, just like spider/woma wobble in ball pythons or enigma circling in leopard geckos are tied to those genes.

Egg bound desert female surgery and discussion: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...rt+female+eggs

Shortly after that thread, most sellers began openly admitting that desert females were for pets only.

Originally Posted by snowgyre

The developmental issues in desert females has nothing to do with inbreeding or line breeding. You could have the most outcrossed, genetically strong desert female in the world yet she will still have a constricted oviduct, making it impossible for her to lay fertile eggs. Desert females DO produce viable eggs... however, they must be surgically removed. This defect is tied to the gene, just like spider/woma wobble in ball pythons or enigma circling in leopard geckos are tied to those genes.

Egg bound desert female surgery and discussion: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...rt+female+eggs

Shortly after that thread, most sellers began openly admitting that desert females were for pets only.

When I spoke of inbreeding and such it was merely to point out the genetic flaws that can occur because of it. I should have separated the two statements from each other. I did however point out that the desert female issues have nothing to do with a color morph. It's strictly an internal issue that plagues them and was an issue that occurred in the wild when the first one was imported here. It had nothing to do with breeding this snake. Some combos have issues that arise from this type of breeding process. I am also aware that they have covered the desert gene with multiple other genes and she still hasn't "laid" a viable clutch. Perhaps I should have stated the word "laid" instead. You could have left out the surgical removal stand point because the person that started this thread is an idiot. He comes off as the type that would risk a snakes health and well being just to do something that stupid. It's why I didn't mention anything about that and left it as it was. Some people are better off without certain pieces of knowledge.