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Old 10-31-2002, 04:29 PM   #1
Dianne Johnson
Patrick,

First off, you are surely bright enough to realize that many adults are not going into business with anyone who is a minor on this scale of project, much less just loan out such an expensive animal.  It isn't a strike against you, just common sense.  You should also be bright enough to realize that anyone in their right mind is going to question that a teenager has a Axanthic ball python worth $7000-$8000.  You may very well have exactly what you claim to, but you can't expect anyone to just take your word for it.  Most of us wouldn't take another adult's word for it, much less someone who is under age.

Second, regarding spelling and basic grammar, that is an integral part of good business.  If you cannot communicate clearly, you are going to lose business - professionalism is a must.  If you want to conduct business with adults, you need to come across as well spoken and mature.  Name calling and insults are simply proof of inability to act maturely.  I am not saying you have to use big words or anything of that nature, just write/speak clearly and make sure what you write is clear and spelled correctly.  Yes, we all make spelling errors, that is a given.  A freezing keyboard and modem are hardly excuses for taking your time and proof reading what you write before hitting submit.  I, too, have a modem and a keyboard that occasionally sticks and it hardly affects my ability to post intelligently.

Lastly, you said you've asked for help and no-one gave it to you.  I saw where you were advised to post it on the BOI with the facts and names.  That's about all you can do unless your parents choose to step in and see if they can persue some sort of legal action.  I saw no post that treated you badly or belittled you.  If you want to be treated like an adult, you need to act like one, or at least like a mature, responsible teenager.  Respect is earned, not owed.  Giving a little respect goes a long way towards earning it.

Dianne
 
Old 10-31-2002, 08:36 PM   #2
Neil Gubitz
Patrick.... you are working on a totally wrong impression.... there is nobody here that would berate you for just being 14, it's the way you are PERCEIVED, when all we know about you are your typed words.... I'll give you a PERFECT example.... scroll through the threads, and find the one about PEG'S PETS.... in that thread, you will find some posts by a 14 year old GIRL!! She is probably the most intelligent, well-spoken, rational, educated, and street-smart 14 year old you'll ever want to meet! And her typing and spelling skills (at 14) are IMPECCABLE!! If she had written to me about buying one of my animals, and she didn't mention her age.... she'd have that animal on her doorstep TOMORROW! The point being, it's not how old you are, it's how old you are PERCEIVED!!
I'm 50, and FAR from perfect! If I don't know (or am unsure) of the spelling of a certain word.... I have a DICTIONARY sitting RIGHT HERE! I USE IT! That's the only way you're ever going to learn and get better.... and, above all.... RE-READ WHAT YOU JUST TYPED BEFORE YOU HIT.... "ADD REPLY"! You'll be amazed at what you'll be able to find AND FIX, BEFORE you put your words out into the WORLD for ETERNITY!! Is that the way YOU want to be remembered?? I don't think so, or you wouldn't be putting up a fight to get your "name" back!
Again.... it really doesn't matter if you breed the rarest snakes in the world! If you can't communicate with the people that want to BUY your snakes.... they WILL NOT BUY THEM!
The MOST IMPORTANT thing you could do for yourself right now.... even if you have to ask your parents for help.... DO NOT send anything out, BEFORE IT IS PERFECT!! You will be AMAZED at the amount of increased respect you will get from everybody! Take your time, think about what you want to say, type it down quickly, then.... GO BACK OVER IT WORD BY WORD!! How many times have you seen posts by ADULTS who can't spell and don't know the correct way to form a legible sentence?? They are PERCEIVED as being "not so bright".... would YOU rather deal with someone who might have trouble grasping the concept of a new idea, or someone with PERCEIVED intelligence?? It's a no-brainer, isn't it?
With your "go gettem" attitude.... you could probably really make a niche for yourself in this business.... IN THE FUTURE!! For NOW.... LEARN ENGLISH and the proper way to use it, and, obviously, learn how to spell.... if you can understand that I'm REALLY only trying to help you.... try following my advice, and see how well it works!
Good luck!

....Neil
 
Old 11-01-2002, 02:54 AM   #3
HerpVenue
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since crossing an amelanistic animal with an axanthic animal will just produce animals that are het for both traits, in order to get the final &quot;Snow&quot; morph lacking both the melanin and the xanthin you'd need to cross the offspring to one another which would give you approximately 1/4 the clutch displaying the desired trait... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Actually if you were working with only one recessive trait....then it would be 1/4.
But since you are working with two recessive traits...
then it is 1/4 x 1/4 which equals to 1/16

Math and Ratios is my thing.
Spelling and English is definately not.
But then again....I use to have excellent grammar and spelling skills....Until I came to this country.

No offense meant. spam_It is just in the phillipines we were always acustomed to speaking correctly and always being corrected if we didn't.
Here in the states...if you speak correctly no one can understand you. spam_They start thinking you are a nerd. Or you are to stuck up. spam_Or you are uncool. spam_None of that means anything to me know.....but growing up it sure meant a lot.

Looking back on it......I can't believe I let idiots who can't speak their own language influence me. spam_sheesh
 
Old 11-03-2002, 07:36 PM   #4
HerpVenue
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't 90% of the time i will ship first in a trade
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Okay you got two people looking to get your snow boa.
One of them is Jason B. spam_the other is spam_Justin H.
I recommend both of these gentlemen.
They know if they screw you over that I would rake them over the coals.
They know I would hound them to the ends of the earth...and they would never hear the end of it.

So why don't you go ahead and ship your pretend snow boa to one of these gentlemen.
I will even pay for shipping (but only through airborne express)

then which ever one of them gets it....he will come back and post on wether it was a real snow boa or not.

Or better yet. &nbsp;ship it to me. &nbsp;I can breed your pretend snow boa with a minimum of three females. &nbsp;And in the process I can make you double your asking price.


The ball is in your court. &nbsp;Lets see what excuses you can come up with.
 
Old 11-03-2002, 06:35 PM   #5
P120_Cartman
I don't feel he should be responsible, where did you come up with that one ken??

&quot;Oh, what a tangled web we weave... &quot;

No..........u have yet 2 tangle me yet.................as i admitted to where i lied and corrected my others ex: spider, hey but ui can see where each and every one of you are comming from which is why i requested that my account be canceled as i feel that if i stay here i will ship first and will be screwed over and no one will listen to me. just as before i have all his stuff still, good luck dealing with your problems just don't make anymistakes or listen t people if they ask you to sell anything for them, or lie for them hel* at least i learned something, but se any of you late in the future if you are in Illinois stop by my table with a buddy of mine that everyone knows and has dealt with including me!!
 
Old 11-03-2002, 11:54 PM   #6
HerpVenue
hey I'll also throw in $20 to see his snow boa....pretend or not.



hey Patrick who is this person at Lee's that everyone has dealt with?
Who is this person that knows you so well that he would share a table with you?
Apperantly if everyone has dealt with him....he must be one of the big time breeders.
So which one of these big time breeders would share his table with a kid selling his pretend snow boa.
Another lie of yours?

Because I know I have not dealt with anyone who goes to Lee's.

Also Patrick if you ship the snow boa to me....Not only will I mate it with at least 3-4 females. spam_I will send it back to. spam_Then you can sell it for $9000 spam_plus you can sell half the babies I produce at $1000 a pair.

But alas I knew you were full of excuses.
Sorta like you ended up in the hospital when you were suppose to ship to Jason B. spam_Now you cant ship anymore.....because surprise...you have hospital bills.

If you won't tell us which hospital....at least tell us what they did to you.
Did they give you tylenol for the pain?
Did they give you charcoal and pump out your stomach?
Come on...at least make up something


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why should i tell you? You'll call me a liar and bash me?? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>If the shoe fits.

Hey what happened to your friend Josh/Jake/Brian?
he just disappeared.
First you show up....
then he shows up to fight your battles for you.
and now that you are back he is gone?
 
Old 11-03-2002, 11:52 PM   #7
Audrina Head
Hey Ken,

I think in the photos, a piece of paper with Pat's name written on it in big letters should be next to the snakes. &nbsp;This way, everybody can be sure that the photos weren't just stolen from somewhere.
 
Old 11-03-2002, 11:26 PM   #8
Lucas Denning
I think your mom could really use the money. &nbsp;And I know you need money for your hospital bills. &nbsp;How about it? &nbsp;I really can't see any ligit. excuses for you to not do this. &nbsp;If you have the animals, take the pics with you in them, and you'll get paid for your time, and prove all of us wrong. &nbsp;That would be worth a lot more than $20 to you I would think.....
Why not?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??
 
Old 11-03-2002, 10:26 PM   #9
sschind
Patrick,

Why would you bother asking the webslave to cancel your account. &nbsp;JUST GO AWAY AND DON&quot;T COME BACK. &nbsp;It's as simple as that. &nbsp;I don't know how it could be any easier. &nbsp;Just because you have an account no one is twisting your arm to post the crap that you do. &nbsp;You bring everything upon yourself, and the fact that you have to ask someone else to revoke your privledges proves you do not have any discipline. &nbsp;You are addicted to this sort of crap so you want someone else to take the blame. If you don't like people treating you like a spoiled little immature twit, quit acting like one.

Steve Schindler
 
Old 11-03-2002, 10:55 PM   #10
Ken Harbart
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Um lets c u say &quot;we&quot; which indeed does mean you and ritchie or as in all herpers well as you twio are the only.
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Much like a neutered dog, you just don't get it. It was rather silly of me to think you'd actualy comprhend the meaning of the proverb.

That aside, how'bout we make it real easy for you to prove you have said snow boa and said axanthic ball python? Post pics of you holding them.

No digital camera, you say? Not a problem! Take the piics with a disposable camera, have the pictures developed at KMart or WalMart (both offer online access to photos), and then post the pics here. If you actually post the requested pics, I will reimburse you for the cost of the disposable camera and film development, as well as an additional $20 for the heck of it.

If you indeed have the snakes, this should be a quick and easy twenty bucks for you.
 
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