Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Originally Posted by KelliH

Ok, so it looks like Ashley will be attending the NARBC Show on Saturday, as a spectator NOT a vendor. What exactly do you think should be done? Should we march back and forth outside the convention center chanting and holding signs? Maybe we should forum a human chain at the door to the show when we see Ashley coming so that she cannot get in? Short of doing that (and most likely being arrested for it), I cannot see how anyone, Texas herper or not, can keep anyone else from attending a reptile show.

How about using the pictures of herself plastered everywhere on the forums for visual verification and having someone check for Picture ID of all the attendees? May not stop her friends, but it would definitely stop HER and put a dent in her plans?

Perhaps have a big sign outside saying "Beware of this person...Please alert the management if you spot this person?" Something along those lines?

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

How about using the pictures of herself plastered everywhere on the forums for visual verification and having someone check for Picture ID of all the attendees? May not stop her friends, but it would definitely stop HER and put a dent in her plans?

Perhaps have a big sign outside saying "Beware of this person...Please alert the management if you spot this person?" Something along those lines?

Here is Ashley herself:


Here is Ashley and some of her friends that she is often seen with (I believe that is Hannah on the left, Crystal is towards the back, and then Ashley).


Congratulations Ashley! Your friends are now guilty by association and now we have a mugshot for your wanted posters. Thanks for being so generous with every detail of your life!

Originally Posted by KelliH

Ok, so it looks like Ashley will be attending the NARBC Show on Saturday, as a spectator NOT a vendor. What exactly do you think should be done? Should we march back and forth outside the convention center chanting and holding signs? Maybe we should forum a human chain at the door to the show when we see Ashley coming so that she cannot get in? Short of doing that (and most likely being arrested for it), I cannot see how anyone, Texas herper or not, can keep anyone else from attending a reptile show.

Agreed.

Look, this is a very real concern, and a few people (mostly one) put a lot of effort into presenting an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence in this thread. So much so that most reasonable people would agree there is a concern, it is real, and it should be addressed.

That having been said there really is not much else you can do short of filing law suits, if you feel you have been injured by her actions. Some people have that case.

However, this thread has taken many bad turns, it now reads more like a personal vendetta against Ashley and anyone who associates with her. A representative sampling of posts could produce threats, insults, profanity, an uncomfirmed PM from her mother that has very little to do with reptiles and nothing at all to do with IBD, several attempts at psychological profiling, attacks on the entire state she happens to live in.

Perhaps that is why some people from other forums have come here, declared this as so much "drama", and not bothered to act on the information with regards to their own forums. I know that if I stumbled across this thread now that is a good possibility for me as well. That I have kept up from the beginning grants me a different perspective.

I am posting this now in hopes that the people who think they are helping Courtney by keeping this topical, and helping the hobby by continuing to expose Ashley will stop and think about how their posts might come over to someone who has not been here from post 1.

Seriously more harm than good will come from those types of posts. Gathering posts made by Ashley and comparing them to show her web of lies...good. Calling out her parenting skills...not helpful.

Advising show promoters of her activities to keep her off the vendor list...good.

Posting pictures of her on milk cartons and doing dna testing on all guests...not helpful.

It is too bad that moderators can not go back and delete any posts that have no business here, that actually detract from the credibility of this thread. Otherwise I think the overall impact will be very little, and the very tone this thread has taken might actually HELP Ashley make a reappearance into the hobby down the road. She can easily point to the pitchforks and torches and say people went off on her, and if they could not find anything then they just made it up.

Anyway, just think about how your post can be read, what it really says, and what impact it might have as a whole before posting. That is all I really want to say...

I disagree that not much can be done. It is still legal to refuse admittance to undesirables... or are you implying that ANYONE that coughs up the admittance fee is welcome?

I do know that this kind of thinking (apparent lack of concern with quality and more concern with quantity) is why many in our community have stopped attending/purchasing at shows. At least, it's one of MY reasons.

Originally Posted by Drew Zaun

Agreed.

Look, this is a very real concern, and a few people (mostly one) put a lot of effort into presenting an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence in this thread. So much so that most reasonable people would agree there is a concern, it is real, and it should be addressed.

That having been said there really is not much else you can do short of filing law suits, if you feel you have been injured by her actions. Some people have that case.

However, this thread has taken many bad turns, it now reads more like a personal vendetta against Ashley and anyone who associates with her. A representative sampling of posts could produce threats, insults, profanity, an uncomfirmed PM from her mother that has very little to do with reptiles and nothing at all to do with IBD, several attempts at psychological profiling, attacks on the entire state she happens to live in.

Perhaps that is why some people from other forums have come here, declared this as so much "drama", and not bothered to act on the information with regards to their own forums. I know that if I stumbled across this thread now that is a good possibility for me as well. That I have kept up from the beginning grants me a different perspective.

I am posting this now in hopes that the people who think they are helping Courtney by keeping this topical, and helping the hobby by continuing to expose Ashley will stop and think about how their posts might come over to someone who has not been here from post 1.

Seriously more harm than good will come from those types of posts. Gathering posts made by Ashley and comparing them to show her web of lies...good. Calling out her parenting skills...not helpful.

Advising show promoters of her activities to keep her off the vendor list...good.

Posting pictures of her on milk cartons and doing dna testing on all guests...not helpful.

It is too bad that moderators can not go back and delete any posts that have no business here, that actually detract from the credibility of this thread. Otherwise I think the overall impact will be very little, and the very tone this thread has taken might actually HELP Ashley make a reappearance into the hobby down the road. She can easily point to the pitchforks and torches and say people went off on her, and if they could not find anything then they just made it up.

Anyway, just think about how your post can be read, what it really says, and what impact it might have as a whole before posting. That is all I really want to say...

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

I disagree that not much can be done. It is still legal to refuse admittance to undesirables... or are you implying that ANYONE that coughs up the admittance fee is welcome?

I do know that this kind of thinking (apparent lack of concern with quality and more concern with quantity) is why many in our community have stopped attending/purchasing at shows. At least, it's one of MY reasons.

Sure it is legal, but is it practical? How many people are going to attend the NARBC on Saturday? How many women? Is is realistic to think that some people working admissions would be able to cross check every woman that roughly fits Ashley's description with a photo?

I know for a solid gold fact that casinos employ tens of thousands of dollars in gear, computers and software to check the faces of everyone who walks through the door and compares it to file photos, using things are are impossible to alter without surgery like space between eyes and noses etc, and undesirables still get in every day. To ask untrained amateurs to stop one person is, I think, not going to be effective.

Originally Posted by KelliH

Ok, so it looks like Ashley will be attending the NARBC Show on Saturday, as a spectator NOT a vendor. What exactly do you think should be done? Should we march back and forth outside the convention center chanting and holding signs? Maybe we should forum a human chain at the door to the show when we see Ashley coming so that she cannot get in? Short of doing that (and most likely being arrested for it), I cannot see how anyone, Texas herper or not, can keep anyone else from attending a reptile show.

it seems it should be as easy as denying entrance no? does the person running this show HAVE to allow everyone in? seems like if its their show they should have the power to accept peoples entrance money or not

Originally Posted by ed hummel

it seems it should be as easy as denying entrance no? does the person running this show HAVE to allow everyone in? seems like if its their show they should have the power to accept peoples entrance money or not

It's the largest show in Texas. Thousands of people come through the door. Numerous people work the entrance tables. Even if someone did hand out flyers with her photo plastered on it, the chances of her being stopped at the door are slim to none.

My personal opinion is that it's not anyone's business whether she attends a show or not; as long as she isn't selling potentially diseased snakes. I am aware that I am probably in the minority in this thread that feels that way, but that's ok, I don't mind.

Originally Posted by KelliH

It's the largest show in Texas. Thousands of people come through the door. Numerous people work the entrance tables. Even if someone did hand out flyers with her photo plastered on it, the chances of her being stopped at the door are slim to none.

My personal opinion is that it's not anyone's business whether she attends a show or not; as long as she isn't selling potentially diseased snakes. I am aware that I am probably in the minority in this thread that feels that way, but that's ok, I don't mind.

should make it easier to spot her then... and if she did get in then you escort her out and give her a refund.

im surprised people in texas wouldnt want to keep her out of the show considering how many snakes shes had die and that it is unknown exactly how the disease is spread, potentially putting others at risk

would also be a good way of letting her know what shes done and may potentially still be doing is not only unwelcome in the online herp community but in texas as well.

I would like to think that she would be ostracized at ANY reptile show, no matter if she is selling or not. But thats just me...............I truly would like to think she would just go hide somewhere, IMO just getting her gone from the hobby is all we can hope for at this point.

True, it's not known for certain the method(s) of transmission, so IMHO, it should be assumed to be airborne, transmittable through casual contact, etc. just for the sake of safety for your collection.

I've tried to explain this throughout the thread, because it's blazingly apparent she has visited various pet stores, and has other people with boas/pythons who clean cages, and help with her snakes.
Too much is UNKNOWN for anyone to make a safe assumption on anything regarding IBD.
"Better safe than sorry" should definitely be a PRIME motivator in these cases.


I don't believe she'll be vending @ the Austin show, as Tim Cole is obviously aware of the situation. I really don't see him, or any other show promoter allowing her to vend after this thread.

I hope she's not having friends try to unload them for her. She's already shown she doesn't give a rat fart for the animals, hobby, or anyone else's collections. What's to stop her from unloading through resources OTHER than shows? Pet stores?

I strongly suspect she'll make an appearance at several of the shows, but as far as vending, I don't see it happening.