PETA

PETA's latest campaign, they want to ban the online sale of all exotic animals, including "dangerous reptiles"

PETA - Article about online exotic trade

As far as I am concerned PETA can go pound salt !!!!  They will not be happy until we all comply with their " Secret Agenda " which is that we all stop eating or drinking any product derived from animals.  In my humble opinion I think one of the worst things in this world is fanatics with a hidden agenda.  Also another thing that makes me crazy is intolerance, and PETA defines this.  They want nothing more than for all people everywhere to quit using animals for any purpose including pets.  They want us to just look at them from afar or in a book.  They really need wake up to reality.  I am 100% against animal abuse and I do feel that animals do have rights but PETA needs to understand that they are unreasonable and unrealistic in their views and goals.  They have accomplished some good things in the past but I think they are out of control now.

And speaking of out of control, these guys were here in Richmond, Va handing out their pamphlets and stuff outside of one of the junior high schools.  These kids are what, 10-13 years old? And they are catcing them coming and going from school to spread their message.  That kind of activity is out of line.  And also, weren't they the ones that were caught giving money to one of those environmental terrorist groups or was that the HSUS?  I can't remember, but they are both out of line and need to be stopped in my book.  Maybe we need to start our own group,  PUTIA(like Fuschia), People for the UNETHICAL treatment of IGNORANT Activists.

These people really piss me off.

As I grow older, I grow more extreme in my dislike for extremists.

Jeff, it was indeed Peta that supplied money to domestic terrorists. PETA also assists with the legal defense of domestic terrorists.

Peta's national lecturer, Gary Yourofsky. Yourofsky has openly advocated arson and violence in the name of animal rights. He has also gone on record to say that he would unequivocally support these attacks if they resulted in the death of humans.

Commenting on the hoof and mouth epidemic that plagued Europe, Ingrid Newkirk (Peta's president)stated, "I openly hope that it comes here."

Ingrid Newkirk has also trivialized the plight of jews in WWII Nazi concentration camps.

Alex Pacheo, Peta's director, had this to say, "Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."

Peta's official staement about the terrorist acts of the Animal Liberation Front- "We cannot condemn the Animal Liberation Front... they act courageously, risking their freedom and their careers to stop the terror inflicted every day on animals in the labs. (ALF's activities) comprise an important part of today's animal protection movement."

PETA, HSUS, and ALF are not the only wackos out there.  There is one group dedicated to the concerns of poultry.  You want a nice quote? check out the last 2 paragraphs of this letter.  I'd post it but I don't know if it would be a copy right issue if i did:

Karen Davis, PhD
President
United Poultry Concerns
Letter to the Editor

Thanks for the link to that letter.  I work for the Richmond Times-Dispatch, our local newspaper, and we recently had a front page artical in our Sunday edition about the chicken catchers that work in eastern Virginia.  Luckily, I have the good fortune to work with someone who is vegan, and a semi-activist.  She also felt the need to write a letter and did so to our own newspaper relating to the article.  Now I will agree, the article made me want to skip any chicken dinners.  But the stance and actions some of these groups take is way out of line.  Comparing chickens to 9/11 victims?  Give me a break.  

I can accept animal rights, I agree with that.  I do not agree that animals have MORE rights than people.  Let's just look at it from a natural viewpoint.  Survival of the fittest right?  We are the fittest for now. When any species evolves that takes our place, so be it.  Now I don't agree that we should be driving species to extinction, but I don't think we should have to worry about that anytime soon when it relates to animals like chickens.  

As this all relates to reptiles, it still doesn't work.  Lets take all these animals that have been captive bred, or LTC and put them back where they came from.  Lots of these animals are bred for traits that would make them easier targets in the wild.  And a lot of these animals are endangered or soon to be in their native habitat.  You can take all the animals any of us own and put them in their native homes and watch them die.  Yeah, that's ethical.  Let's release all the domesticated animals as well, that will work.  I wonder if any of these people realize domesticated animals don't occur in the wild.  Dogs and cats bred to be pets are not wild animals and would not be likely to survive if released en masse, not to mention the effect it would have on the ecosystem.  Same thing goes for ferrets, there are no wild ferrets.  What should we do with all of these?

While I agree that PETA are extremely obessessive and unrealistic, and this herp-ban idea is *ridiculous!*, I have to say that they still have some good ideas, in theory--mainly the ones about compassion for animals, not only for the sake of the animals themselves, but also for the sake of the environment, public health, etc. (For info, see www.taxmeat.com--it's a silly idea and it's run by PETA but it has info that I can prove to you is true.) The problem is that the people getting all the media coverage are PETA, ALF, Greenpeace, and other crazy extremists that give all us hippies a bad name. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp;A slightly more realistic, non-psycho group that you all should check out is The Physicians' Committee For Responsible Medicine (www.pcrm.com, probably.) I think they associate with a few of these people but they base their opinions on real, factual information.
Also, I just HAVE to say it...&quot;Survival of the fittest&quot; doesn't mean using power because you have it. I mean, you don't go shoot people with your brand-new gun just because you can, and similarly, you don't kill and eat animals just because you can. And it IS possible to live without eating, drinking, wearing, or testing medications on animals.
And as I said in a previous post... How can you love animals called pets and eat animals called dinner? I love my hognose snakes, ball python, leopard gecko, cats, veiled chams, axolotls, rat, etc. way too much for that.


But jeez, a ban on reptiles? ####in' PETA....

Now that I keep thinking about that ban thing I remembered more because I read about it when they first released it to the media. Before they came up with this part of the campaign--the one that Boasnsuch posted a link to--they had another, which was something to the effect of &quot;Make all airlines and package companies ban trafficking live animals&quot;. As if herpers don't have enough problems with shipping! They quoted various Post Office and airline workers telling their sob stories about seeing shipments of chicks and other animals, mostly feeders, coming in and &quot;...almost all of them were dead&quot; (probably not shipped overnight, or the fault of the shipper). Their goal was to get an airline--Alaska, I think--to add themselves to the list of &quot;compassionate airlines who refuse to ship live animals&quot;. I don't agree with people keeping exotic mammals as pets, since they're highly intelligent animals that never adapt well to captivity, but herps are another issue. Especially CB ones. PETA needs to quit bitching and looking for things to be angry about.
This isn't really a long post and yet I feel like I'm rambling...Well, it's late...wait, 8:19??...Okay, well, I'm tired and this would have made more sense had it been posted when I was fully awake, HOWEVER you get the idea...So to sum it all up, PETA used to be somewhat cool at one point, when they had Pamela Anderson posing nude, but now they just...uh...suck.

I agree with Gary. They can go pound rock salt. There has to be a healthy medium somewhere however Peta just is not it. &nbsp;
&nbsp;Florencia...I do love my animals I also enjoy a good steak as well. One does not negate the other persay. I also believe in responsible hunting as a viable means for conservation. Without it a good deal of animals would starve to death due to the fact that we humans have chosen to invade thier habitat for our own use. This does not mean killing for the sheer pleasure of killing, however I for one would rather see a herd of deer survive and be healthy with a few killed and ate then to have the whole herd half starved due to diminished food sources. Nor do I believe that reptiles or any animal should be banned as a pet etc... as long as there is responsible care given to the animal in captivity. I also disagree that some animals shouldn't be kept due to thier intelligence level. I have found some reptiles to be more intelligent then given credit for and some warm blooded animals ( yes that includes humans) that show an unbelievable amount of stupidity. &nbsp;


Alison Crews

Hi all!!

Welp I just have to add my .02 here.

Personally I have no problem with the people of PETA having
a cause and feeling passionate about it, even if its something
I dont agree with. They have the God given right to disagree.
I even feel that people who dont believe in God have the
right to do so, God gave them the choice to believe or not.
&nbsp;However its how they choose to convey their message that
I and many others have a problem with. They do support domestic terror financially and here are some examples :

monetary donations to the ELF - The FBI recognizes the ELF
as a domestic terrorist organization that has underground cells
throughout the U.S. (according to FBI agent David Szansy)
The ELF amitted to torching the US forestry lab in Penn. causing 700,000$ in damage and loosing 45 years of research.
In 1998 the group claimed responsibilty for the arson of a Vail
resort causing 12million in damage. ELF said they wanted to stop the expansion of the resort. PETA vice president Bruce Friedrich said &quot;I think it would be great if all the fast food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks that fund them exploded tommorrow&quot;.

Other payouts include:
5000$ to Josh Harper, convicted of assaulting police and firing
on a fishing vessel.

2000$ to Dave Wilson, convicted of fire-bombing a fur cooperative.

7500$ to Fran Trutt, convicted of attempted murder of a medical executive.

20000$ to Rodney Coronado, convicted of burning a research
lab at Michigan State.

Right now Represenative Scott McInnis (Republican) is probing
into PETA's ties to domestic terrorism.

I read a report written by a US Fish and Wildlife employee who
was sent to PETA's annual convention back in 2000 to see what all transpires over the 5 day event every year. Anti everything was the theme. They taught classes on how to target the young because they are weak-minded and easy to convert, how to intimidate people, how to organize protesting,
etc.... They also had private classes after hours but the gentleman didnt attend any of them.'

Recently in Milwalkee (sp ??) PETA tried to protest their local
major leage baseball games. Apparantly during half time they
have a man dressed up in a &quot;hot link sausage&quot; outfit and PETA
is protesting that should have a vegatarian sausage outfit during half time also.

I have friends who have been victims of PETA. One of which had 40+ porcipines that he rescued off of a Ranch where the owner wanted to just kill them. PETA broke into his place and
opend all his pens and cages. Everything from the porcupines
to prairie dogs, cus-cus (one of two breeding projects in the U.S.), sqirrels, chipmunks, etc... where released in the middle
of the night at his place, beside a major highway. Needless to say almost half of the animals were dead on the road by morning. Only about 1/4 of them were recovered alive. (is this the way to save animals PETA??)

Having a cause is fine. We live in a free place where we can agree to disagree. But going about it the PETA does is wrong,
just wrong.

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Ben Sparks
Christian Reptile Center