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Old 04-09-2016, 03:30 PM   #21
MikeRusso
Greg Tummons is now RYAN STEELE!!

Hey guys, I am just giving everyone the head up that Greg Tummons is now scamming people using the name Ryan Steele..

2 different people have contacted me this week letting me know that he worked out a trade for 2k+, they shipped first and Greg/Ryan disappeared..

I have asked both of these people to post here as well, i just wanted to get his newest fake name on here ASAP..

~ Mike Russo
 
Old 04-09-2016, 05:16 PM   #22
JButera
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Hey guys, I am just giving everyone the head up that Greg Tummons is now scamming people using the name Ryan Steele..

2 different people have contacted me this week letting me know that he worked out a trade for 2k+, they shipped first and Greg/Ryan disappeared..

I have asked both of these people to post here as well, i just wanted to get his newest fake name on here ASAP..

~ Mike Russo
He could name his new business venture Ryan Steele's Reptiles. Sorry
 
Old 04-09-2016, 08:18 PM   #23
Chris Kennard
Perhaps in this day and age people should not only demand dated pics of animals with the seller in the photo, but a pic with proof of ID as well. This should become a standard.
 
Old 04-09-2016, 08:39 PM   #24
nickolasanastasiou
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Perhaps in this day and age people should not only demand dated pics of animals with the seller in the photo, but a pic with proof of ID as well. This should become a standard.
Given the number of unstable (or stable and thieving) people out there, I would decline and wish them luck.
 
Old 04-09-2016, 08:58 PM   #25
Big Time Reptiles
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Given the number of unstable (or stable and thieving) people out there, I would decline and wish them luck.
EXACTLY!


Lynn Peterson
Big Time Reptiles
 
Old 04-09-2016, 09:32 PM   #26
JButera
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Perhaps in this day and age people should not only demand dated pics of animals with the seller in the photo, but a pic with proof of ID as well. This should become a standard.
Or we could use Skype for these transactions. It's easy, free and you can record the conversation (third party) and take screen shots.
 
Old 04-09-2016, 11:51 PM   #27
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Or we could use Skype for these transactions. It's easy, free and you can record the conversation (third party) and take screen shots.
Then you would have to jump through federal and state laws about recording conversations. Nothing is stopping them from getting one animal, selling it 10 times, and disappearing. As long as people are willing to buy, you will have thieves trying to rip them off.

Most of the scammers can be caught by doing a reversed google image search.

You can ferret out most of them that way.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 01:04 AM   #28
JButera
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Then you would have to jump through federal and state laws about recording conversations. Nothing is stopping them from getting one animal, selling it 10 times, and disappearing. As long as people are willing to buy, you will have thieves trying to rip them off.

Most of the scammers can be caught by doing a reversed google image search.

You can ferret out most of them that way.
It's only illegal without their consent, which can be asked via text. imo Refusal would be taken as suspicious by most buyers.
 
Old 04-10-2016, 11:40 AM   #29
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It's only illegal without their consent, which can be asked via text. imo Refusal would be taken as suspicious by most buyers.
I can see that. But...


I have a hard time setting up video chats and phone calls times with friends, family, and co workers.

A lot of people just have to work long hours to make ends meet.

I guess if you just sell the reptiles for a business, then I guess you could.

But in the last year, I was told by 2 different major breeders that they needed an answer if I was going to buy the animals in question right away, because there was a wait list for them. I just asked how much was it and was it still available.

The number one complaint I hear from major breeders is someone wasting their time with endless questions and contacts just to not buy the animal.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't know if suspicion should fall on a person for having a busy life and/or willingness to waste a lot of time for no sells.

I would love to video chat with someone professional breeders over the animals that I am going to buy, but I also accept that they time, energy, and food they give the animal I am buying may be just on the limit of making it worth breeding at all. Having 30 customers each demanding a video chat over a 200-1000 dollar animal, may just be a big enough time suck to make it not worth breeding them at all.

Of course, I only get the low price animals, localities mainly, so I can not speak about people putting thousands of dollars on the line. And at some point you spending 3000 dollars on a pair of animals there is an expectation of better service. For 3000 dollars, there better be a video chat or two, maybe? I don't know.

I do know that I am currently laid up in bed, with nothing better to do then watch youtube videos, yet it took me over 10 hours to reply to this thread. Some times, life takes over and you just don't have the time. Even when you do.


And all that will not really save you from a good scammer. Because they will preload video for you to watch, do some type of video tricks, or simply say they don't have a working camera, and still scam you.

I hate to blame the victim, but scamming is lying. It takes 2 people to lie. It takes the person telling the lie and the person believing the lie. Once again, not going to victim blame here because anyone can be tricked into a con. But if you just spent a little time researching and fact checking scammers, you can avoid most of them. I believe better then any video scam. As a buyer. Being a seller is a different story.

And yes, no amount of due diligence will prevent you from never getting ripped off. Yes, I have been ripped off. Which is why we have the BOI and buyer and seller protections for paypal.

At some point you have to trust the person selling you the object and a the person selling the object needs to trust you. Video chats maybe the way. Or they can just be a huge time suck. I don't know.

I would be interested in hearing from professional breeders about this. Do you have the time to do video chats with every sale?
 
Old 04-10-2016, 01:52 PM   #30
nickolasanastasiou
I think the divergent conversation has been good and is valuable, but it might be best to continue it in a discussion forum section (such as the general business one) if it is to develop further.
 

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