Beware of Jerry Kruse

After reading Mitchell Mulks recent description of ZD and after reading what I could find about ZD on other forums, I have to wonder. Why would anyone desire to even keep this species? If, as stated, every zonata breeder ultimately experiences ZD, why even keep them when there are so many other tri-colors or even other mountain kings (e.g. pyromelana) which do not exhibit the disease? Granted, zonata are beautiful, but keeping them seems like heartache just waiting to happen. "Typhoid Mary" of snakes!

Tim, that's the best question asked yet! Haha. Maybe because we're just gluttons for punishment. I agree with you wholeheartedly though. You bring up pyros, and as far as I know they don't have anything like this happen to them, and they're the sister species (taxonomically speaking) to zonata.

Mitch

Mitch, I just finished reading your post and as you know, I agree with the theory here regarding zd. Hell, with my high school education and failed years of college, I am qualified big time. For the others here, I am one of the other zonata keepers that received animals from the same breeder as Jerry. I purchased five animals all together, several years ago, and to date THREE of the five have come down with what I think is ZD. I have fifty or so zonata in my collection and these three animals are the only animals that have shown this condition. I just discovered the third victim two days ago and am trying something different with him. The others I just put down in fear of the condition spreading. This animal has been moved to the oposite side of my house and placed into a highly ventilated cage (large critter keeper). The cool side is 68 degrees with a humid hide and water bowl. The hot side is 110 degrees!! The snake has been sitting on or right next to the hot spot for the last two days. He is still eating as well, but the lower half of his body is limp. We shall see what happens. Just thought I would add this to the post for people to see.

Maybe a thread needs to be started by Jerry or Joe on this breeder they obtained tainted genes from (I read the majority think its viral but somethings naggin me about that especially tracing back to one stock). Lol. My point being if people aren't aware of this breeders history and continue to purchase and breed then sell offspring of said "infected" snakes isn't that eventually doom for the small zonata community? And while ZD *may *be a reason for return of Stu's snakes, its not really a place people looking for sound zonota info will find it (unless they're cruising this thread on the BOI)

Christina, the breeder is no longer is business and it would be very hard to track down all the animals that were sold from his collection. He admitted to having this in his colony also, but did not think it could be spread to the rest of his collection. I am not saying this is where all the problems originated from, but find it cannot be a coincidence that these are the only animals I have in MY collection that have come down with this. I have already moved the remaining two animals from my snake room. Hopefully no other animals will come down with this crap.

Originally Posted by joecop

Christina, the breeder is no longer is business and it would be very hard to track down all the animals that were sold from his collection. He admitted to having this in his colony also, but did not think it could be spread to the rest of his collection. I am not saying this is where all the problems originated from, but find it cannot be a coincidence that these are the only animals I have in MY collection that have come down with this. I have already moved the remaining two animals from my snake room. Hopefully no other animals will come down with this crap.

Gosh Joe,...you guys need to eventually get into some of these Latin American "zonata" (L.t.abnorma) when I can eventually produce some...LOL! No ZD worries and the killer high ring-count is almost virtually identical for the same eye-pleasing asthetic value.


~Doug

LOL. Yeah that my be the ticket Doug!! A pulchra with an extra nose band. I like it!! I hope I dont see any others in the future with this crap (in my collection as well as others) now that the "suspect" animals are removed. However, I am not counting on that. This is why I keep several other species!!! Hell, getula probably would just season a mouse with ZD and laugh.


Joe

Originally Posted by joecop

getula probably would just season a mouse with ZD and laugh.

Joe

HAHA!! I agree Joe,...too funny man

On a serious note though, I sure feel bad for you and others having to deal with that dreaded issue. It sucks fighting something and being paranoid when you don't ever know when it could rear it's ugly head.

...similar to Al Qaeda in many ways.


~Doug

whats funny is dmong even posting here after the crap he spews about the BOI on the "other" forums.
total hypocrite.
wheres matthew(mjay) with his "healthy" zonatas? what no more pics???
i am very happy to read that jerry did/has refunded stu HALF his money imho its kinda lame stu has to eat the PP charges as well as pay for shipping but i guess its the thought that counts as it sure isnt the seller taking care that his customer is happy... oh wait jerry has already shown he doesnt care about his customers or all of this would have never been here!

Originally Posted by thomas davis

whats funny is dmong even posting here after the crap he spews about the BOI on the "other" forums.
total hypocrite.

What's even funnier (well, not really....more like pathetic) is that YOU (thomas davis) are precisely what I was talking about when I made those comments. See, unlike most all other posters on any of the forums across the country, over the course of about 7 years now I have never ONCE saw a post of yours on ANY of the forums that was ever even slightly informative, helpful, or had any kind of substance to it other than to make insulting comments to people you don't get along with whenever you possibly can. And we can all add this post of yours to that never-ending list as well. For someone to constantly troll and seek out certain people like you always do to make your little childish comments is the true definition of a real LOSER!!! It's beyond me how a so-called "grown man" could ever stoop himself to this childish level, but I guess only you know the deep-seated twisted reasoning behind what you do.

Anyway, great post Tommy! (as always)



~Doug