Justin Miller, AKA Blue Pumilio

I ordered 2.1 Tylotriton yangi newts from Justin Miller (Blue Pumilio), and he shipped as planned for arrival on June 14th, 2013. What should have been a satisfying conclusion however, was instead a drawn-out ordeal. As promised, they were 2.1, and the order was technically fulfilled. However, the single female was (and is) in a horrible condition. She should not have been shipped, and especially not sold. Attached are the photos taken after opening the shipment.

She is missing and in the process of partially regenerating all the fingers on her left foreleg, with six fingers instead of the usual four in the front, five in the back, missing a finger on her right hindleg with no signs of regenerating, and worst of all, has either a genetic deformity or infection on/in her jaw. In addition, her lackluster orange coloration can of course be due to genetics, but can also be a sign of a newt that is not healthy. The lack of uniform color distribution however, causes me to lean more towards the latter. To put it into perspective, a healthy newt is pictured on his site: http://bluepumilio.com/store/images/Tylo.jpg

I immediately messaged him the details on Facebook, and also an email notifying him of the problem I encountered, hoping that he could do the right thing and either send a replacement or send a partial refund, but neither resolution had been entertained. I initially thought his sending of her was an overlooked mistake due to being busy, but I have yet to receive a response that even comes close to addressing the issue. I have been getting the busy excuse, but it has been 24 days since I first notified him. If he has the time to update his availability and reply to comments on his Facebook, a response to an email is definitely possible.

I am not too upset, since she was only 40 dollars and the two males I received were in good condition. However, palming off unwanted, unhealthy animals to customers should not be acceptable, and whether intentional or not, I feel that sufficient time has been given for at least the beginnings of a resolution, which has not happened. I will not be purchasing from him in the future due to the poor health of the animal, and the abysmal customer service. I also really hope that Justin was actually busy and not stalling in order to sell the remaining T. yangi he had.

Any possible future buyers should definitely look at individual pictures, and be willing to gamble that the animals are fine.
I wish you all the best of luck when purchasing online.

wow that sucks man. I had about the same experience from him.
i bought two leaf frogs he had on his web site he made me go through to pay as Paypal man so much better and safe with people like justin miller.

that was on june 6 th and i have yet to get anything back or really anything till I posted on dartden.com then this shit hits the fan with him.

http://dartden.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7633

Still going back and fourth with him and no refund. Contact your bank for a refund as he will not and he is not a real business.
He is a drop shipper that stores and quarantines animals in his home then resells for me. He has no FWC licence and no permits. Total scammer.

Do not give him a dime and if you do Justin Miller will just delay and change his story over and over.

cheers all.
-andrew

Andrew, please take screenshots/remote host the images somewhere and link them. We cannot see the thread because it requires membership/for the viewer to be logged in.

Originally Posted by spawn

Andrew, please take screenshots/remote host the images somewhere and link them.

That'd be a good way to get an infraction. Since that site doesn't require full names on posts, the OP would likely get dinged for 3rd party anonymous quotes if he posted screenshots. I learned that the hard way.

Justin Miller has vary in names from the past.

Intense Herpetoculture
We breed!

Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 956
Name : Justyn Miller

Here's link to old account: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ber.php?u=1239

Here's a BOI Feedback thread with over 104 pages: (VERY SHADY past)

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ustyn&page=104

Last post was:

"This is an extremely old thread but Justyn recently popped up on a chameleon forum after a three year hiatus (http://www.chameleonforums.com/chama...fefferi-70473/). When I saw his post, I seemed to recall a large fauna thread about some of his dealings that I didn't recall had ever been resolved on the forum. After searching, I found this thread and started to recall more of the details. At any rate, since she has decided to pop up again in the community, I thought it was a good time to pull this thread back up and ask if any of the issues in it were ever resolved.

Chris"

From Chris Anderson.


If you look up "justyn" Or Intense Herpetoculture it will bring you Justin Miller to full display of his problems within the reptile community.

He also had a big dispute with AL Cortiz :
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=justyn

Current facebook and new name :
https://www.facebook.com/BluePumilio?ref=br_tf

Justin Miller --New company name: Blue Pumilio

Justin Miller has vary in names from the past.

Intense Herpetoculture
We breed!

Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 956
Name : Justyn Miller

Here's link to old account: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ber.php?u=1239

Here's a BOI Feedback thread with over 104 pages: (VERY SHADY past)

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ustyn&page=104

Last post was:

"This is an extremely old thread but Justyn recently popped up on a chameleon forum after a three year hiatus (http://www.chameleonforums.com/chama...fefferi-70473/). When I saw his post, I seemed to recall a large fauna thread about some of his dealings that I didn't recall had ever been resolved on the forum. After searching, I found this thread and started to recall more of the details. At any rate, since she has decided to pop up again in the community, I thought it was a good time to pull this thread back up and ask if any of the issues in it were ever resolved.

Chris"

From Chris Anderson.


If you look up "justyn" Or Intense Herpetoculture it will bring you Justin Miller to full display of his problems within the reptile community.

He also had a big dispute with AL Cortiz :
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=justyn

Current facebook and new name :
https://www.facebook.com/BluePumilio?ref=br_tf

Justin Miller --New company name: Blue Pumilio

OPS DOUBLE POST! SORRY LAG

Thank you.

He also seems to have a somewhat good reputation on dendroboard... http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/ven...-justin-m.html I do not know why he is so noble in conflict resolution there, and can only guess that he feels that he can get away with it elsewhere while still doing business there, with none the wiser.

Originally Posted by jasper408

Thank you.

He also seems to have a somewhat good reputation on dendroboard... http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/ven...-justin-m.html I do not know why he is so noble in conflict resolution there, and can only guess that he feels that he can get away with it elsewhere while still doing business there, with none the wiser.

Jasper,
He is protected on Dendroboard. I was threatened by a mod named Scott on Dendroboard with an infraction if I spoke ill of Justin. Scott said Justin was a good source of frogs, and made some mistakes in the past. There is negative feedback on Dendroboard for Justin now, but Scott will delete it when he sees it. They want to make it look like a past issue. I informed him of a conversation I had with a member and he again threatened me with a ban this time if I didn't give him the name of the member. I took the 2 week ban. He doesn't need to harass the other member. He said I was slandering Justin. And he wanted the name of the person I talked to. Well, for one, it was in a private message, and for two, I never used Justin's name. He did. It was never in public. He doesn't need to speak with the other member, there are enough recent complaints to read.
What it really comes down to is there is a group on Dendroboard that care more about getting rare frogs imported for them and less about members of the hobby being harmed. Until it happens to them. We aren't oblivious to what he does, we just have our comments deleted so you don't see them

To be honest, I have not participated on Dendroboard (been a few times, but just to look around). Is Scott just a mod, not administrator/owner? Is there any way that you can show proof to the owner of the rogue mod? This is definitely not right. If I was the owner of that website, I would have Scott banned for abusing moderator privileges.