Here's the evidence of the threats and extortion from the buyer and his father. I realize now he was feeding fatty pink rodents and force feeding those fat pinks into a skink that eats only snails. He has some gall to ask or threaten with a law suite to get a replacement skink after he killed it disregarding my advice not to force feed it and allow it to eat on it own schedule.
Dan
Dear Dan;
My name is Matt Cauthorn and I have been involved with working with various animals since I was a young boy, I am now 47 years old and have done quite well for myself in Realestate development.
To cut to the chase I have read all of the back and forth e-mails between you and my son luc, I have always warned him to check the persons background before making any agreements with anyone, with you Sir he didn't and now he is paying for it and it has been a good lesson for him.
I got out of this buisness for just this reason, I can remember talking to Applegate, ernie wagner, bob clarke, terry vandeventer and others when we started to see so many scam artists and we where all very bummed because it was something we all loved to do, but it just became a real constant anger we would experience at times, Hell Bob had most of his collection stolen, ron tremper likewise has suffered.
This is what you need to know; We are in the process of contacting the other people that have complained against you and I am taking care of the attorney fees which will be part of the judgement so I will recoup those at some point.
Do you understand at all what you have done? or are you amoral and without any sense of right and wrong.
I am going to give you 7 days from today so Dan that would be the 11th this will give you time to take all of your e-mails to your Attorney, after you are told that you would be smart to keep your obligations at that point I want full payment for the animal that came in unsavable and died the next day because YOU sent them to the wrong place and they just sat there.
I would encourage you to seek counsel but that is up to you.
But know this I have already contacted my Attorney and spent 60.00 which I am willing to forgive that if you play nice,than you can move on otherwise you will receive from me whatever it takes to get a Judgment against you and believe this at your own peril; my pockets are much deeper than yours.
Warmest Personnal regards,
Matt Cauthorn
The attorneys Phone # that will be handling the case Donald A Loomis (541)344-8333
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luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
Sorry to tell you this, But the thin one died today....I had been pinkie pumping it, this was the second time. It was collapsing and I knew I needed to get some food energy in him. I was too late. I had pinkie pumped him two days ago but he regurgitated half of it. So he only ate half a pinkie the whole time I had him! Keep me updated and sorry that this didn't work out. Shit happens. I froze him, and will ship him on request. I think that the pet store guy must have left them in the deli cups you shipped them in, or something, because like I said they drank for two-three minutes each when I received them! All the other ones look fine and are eating like crazy! I am feeding them smaller snails and more of them, that seems to work well. Thanks,Luc Cauthorn
Danscolaro@aol.com wrote:
Luc, I will replace the thin one this summer when I get more if it does not make it. Dan
I found out that he lied to me on their age.
In a message dated 4/2/2008 1:51:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
Hi Dan,
I was looking at some adds on kingsnake.com and came accross this
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=34&de=564420
I e-mailed the guy and he said that they are 6 months old...I thought why are mine so small. After all they are "06s"
Maybe you meant 06 like 6 months?
Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn
Dan Writes:
well I was told the ones I sent you were yearling born in fall of 2006. I had some others as show in my advertisement that were born fall of 2007 that were tiny 3-4 inchers and that is what you paid for but I sent you the larger ones that were supposed to be a year old. Dan
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
Actually I paid for 06's, and recieved 07's, that weren't healthy. I should send you pics of what they look like now that they are being fed.
When do you think you will get in another. She was a female.
Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn
From:
Danscolaro@aol.com <Danscolaro@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To:
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 2:10 PM
Luc, I looked at my spreadsheet and its marked with retail sales prices for 07's and you were kindly shipped 06 specimens at a discount that were quite robust, thick tailed, feeding frequently, and all appearing quite very healthy. I do not know what happened to the other's that arrived thin but it left here healthy and fat like the rest of them. I could also ad that the pet shop they were mistakenly directed to did not report anything wrong with them so can only imagine they were unfortunately chilled, but that is a risk you take when your order reptiles in the middle of winter and live in a cold climate. Perhaps next time I would suggest to obtain specimens during warmer climate conditions to avoid any issues. I also do not appreciate any insulation that the animals were not healthy after I held them here for you for 4 months without a boarding charge. I examined each specimen before shipping and they are had thick tails, good digits, clean poops, were quite spunky, and don't know what happened to that sad one with the thin tail. I have already agreed to work an arrangement for another skink but keep in mind that those skinks were your skinks 4 months ago and they could have been shipped any time before then. Dan
In a message dated 4/3/2008 5:41:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
Hi Dan,
"4 months ago and they could have been shipped any time before then."
what does that mean?
Are you taking back your word of sending me another one?
Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn
From:
Danscolaro@aol.com <Danscolaro@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To:
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 8:01 PM
Means you ordered the skinks 4 months ago and put down the deposit and I held them for 3 months and they could have been shipped any time if paid in full. Dan
In a message dated 4/3/2008 11:25:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
Yeah, they were part mine and also part yours...Do you know when you can ship out the replacement?
From:
Danscolaro@aol.com <Danscolaro@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To:
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 9:26 PM
I think I informed that I will not get more until this summer perhaps. Dan
In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:00:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
OK. What would her age be?
From:
Danscolaro@aol.com <Danscolaro@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To:
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 10:32 PM
I am not sure until I get them but they would be 07 or 08 specimens. Dan
In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:48:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
I paid for 06's.
From:
Danscolaro@aol.com <Danscolaro@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To:
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2008, 11:24 PM
I think you need to listen closely. I sent you 4 healthy skinks at a discount price. When there is any discount applied to any sale, then there are no guarantees. In addition, I held your animals at no cost and did not charge a boarding fee. Unfortunately something happened to one of your skinks during transit and I have agreed to disregard the no guarantee and replace the skink when I get another if you pay the shipping. That is the best I can offer in these circumstances. If you continue to bug me about stuff and pick at me for a bunch of stuff that only aggravates, then I am not sure I will allow any follow up with this situation. Dan
In a message dated 4/4/2008 11:04:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
luc_cauthorn@yahoo.com writes:
Dan,
You are not being honest. You shipped the skinks to a pet store instead of me, and their stuff went to me. They sat in that pet store for three days probably cold and without water or food. That was clear when I received them. "I sent you 4 healthy skinks at a discount price. When there is any discount applied to any sale, then there are no guarantees." I have never heard of this in my entire life, you should have stated that. "In addition, I held your animals at no cost and did not charge a boarding fee." I am doing/giving someone a payment plan on viper geckos, if I told them that I wanted a boarding fee they would think that I was crazy. I am also doing a payment plan on some R. Leachianus, there is boarding fee.
And Dan I have e-mails from you saying that you would correct this and keep your word and good name....(shipping) (08 specimen)???
Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn
(these bottom e-mails are from him, I did not even have time to reply to him!)
1) "You might keep in mind that I only have live arrival guarantee on lizards and my extended guarantee applies only to snakes, not lizards or anything else, so it went beyond my normal guarantee to offer to replace the one that obviously dehydrated during the trip and actually am not obligated to replace it in the first place. But if you are going to sit there and call me names, then I am not going to be eager to follow up with your issues. Dan"
2) "Luc, I don't appreciate your attitude and name calling. As you know, I did not ship the skinks to the wrong address, it was my agent who made the mistake. I asked you nicely to stop bothering me about it and you seem to wish to continue for some odd reason. I don't like to be harassed and ask you do not contact me further. Dan"
3) "I will contact this summer when I get another batch. Until then, I ask you to not harass me further. Dan"
After this things got worst he blocked my e-mail so I had to use a different account to get get ahold of him!
Why does he want to contact me this summer...Why can;t he just tell me if I am going to end up with three male pink tongue skinks and one female, that are of different ages! I ordered 2.2 06's!
I wrote:
Dan, This is not harassment. This is trying to make sure that you do not just send me a 08 unsexed specimen, and expect for me to pay for shipping. I am in no way name calling. You guaranteed healthy animals and live arrival. I got the live arrival, but you also gave a 48Hrs guarantee that if I found a problem then I needed to report it, which I did. I don't understand why you don't just replace the animal. I am sorry that your helper shipped them to the wrong addresses...You are still responsable.
Thanks,
Luc Cauthorn
P.S. Dan you can't just block my mail. I am going to have to call my lawyer, this is ridiculous
Luc, how old are you? I asked you 10 times not to harass me and you continue to harass. Are you a nut or a 10 year old?
Dan
Luc, Your harassment has caused me to retract my offer on a replacement. It is illegal for you to threaten me with legal action and I am going to block your email now. Please have your attorney send any correspondence to my business address. Also, let him know the skinks departed here healthy and arrived there alive. And grow up and get your mom's approval before using the internet.
Dan
I contacted my attorney, he said that I could probably win but would have to fly down there and bring him to court down in flordia! So this muck gets away with ripping another person off! please don't buy from him, he lies, changes stuff around especially his TOS and fakes harrasment!
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