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11-07-2003, 08:00 PM
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Well,....I guess you showed me!....lol
All you have done thus far is show that you are indeed very capable of being shady.
A boa can definatley get better in 1-2 weeks, but it takes much longer for them to fully recover.
It is definately your animal and you can do as you wish, I just wanted to warn my fellow herpers of the circumstances.
Enjoy your trip!
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11-07-2003, 08:04 PM
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Dallas
Response to:"If Dallas got a sick animal and treats it and it recovers fully in my opinion it is the purchasers responsability to ask questions"
What you are really stating is The seller does not need to say anything unless the buyers ask.... right? That is horrible business ethic!
What I am stating is Dallas is honest in stating any background information on the animal he is selling.
Jason Patterson
Patterson Reptiles
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11-07-2003, 08:23 PM
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LMFAO, LOL. You really crack me up Ritchie. If you dont have the wits to understand my post, dont try to question it. I already stated that i got a reciept NOT a report, he does not give "reports", as i stated before guy.
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I guess this means you can come here and say you have a receipt...then not post it.
Sorta like your videos of the animals with the central nervous system disorder.
The videos never materialized in ANYONES hand............except your mind.
You were the one that said the animal was sick.....so prove it and shut me up. Post the receipt.
Chris can't prove the animal was not sick.....the animal is with you.
All he can do is state his side of the facts.
You stated you had a reciept...so post it.
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11-07-2003, 08:24 PM
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Maybe some of you are missing my original point of the post.
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Chris,
I don't think we missed the original point of your post. You handled the situation right by issuing an immediate refund.
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Dallas was way to willing to sweep this under the carpet, and to add insult to the whole thing, he immediatly asked if I had more stuff to sell. Obviously I said no and that was the end of it.
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Was this over the phone, or do you have e-mails to back it up? I'm no doubting your words Chris, but if it is not in writing it is difficult to accept it as a fact. If I had received a sick snake from you I would have never attempted to buy additional animals. But that's just me.
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The post was to bring up the fact that you cannot morally sell a snake a week or two after "recovery" it's BS and should not be done!
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In MHO it would be to early too. Some people might think it is acceptable as long as the snake is not showing symptoms. Again in MHO it was too early.
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"If Dallas got a sick animal and treats it and it recovers fully in my opinion it is the purchasers responsability to ask questions"
What you are really stating is The seller does not need to say anything unless the buyers ask.... right? That is horrible business ethic!
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Agreed. As a seller one has to fist determine if the snake is fit for sale and it's not going die or even risk other person's collection.
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This stuff needs to be monitored for several months, we like to call it quarantine.
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Agreed.
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If the snake really was not sick, then I was taken to the cleaners by Mr. Dallas Quarles.
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At this point I'm more of a buyer than a seller. It is more important for me to know who can I trust and who not among the people that sell on line. Posting at least the vet receipt will allow me to make a more informed decision.
Sincerely.
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11-07-2003, 09:46 PM
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saved e-mails
I saved e-mails from him, however, I checked, and it is only two that outline his disappointment with the animal and me saying that the money would be refunded.
I wish I would have had the forsite to save all of them.
Chris
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11-08-2003, 01:18 AM
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Chris,
Without written proof what you stated in the quote would be of little value.
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..."Dallas was way to willing to sweep this under the carpet, and to add insult to the whole thing, he immediatly asked if I had more stuff to sell. Obviously I said no and that was the end of it"...
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So far there is no proof that the snake was in effect sick. The only thing we know for sure is that Dallas has both the money, and the boa, which according to him, is now absolutely healthy and ready to be sold.
Options:
1. Dallas produces a vet report which shows the snake had an URI upon arrival. End of story.
2. Dallas returns the money to Chris and keeps the boa.
3. Dallas ships back (at his cost) the boa to Chris.
4. Everything is left "as is". Chris looses the boa, the money, and will never deal again with Dallas. Time will tell if the money Dallas made in this deal was worth it.
Hopefully there will be willingness of both parties to arrive to an amicable solution.
Kindly.
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11-08-2003, 11:04 AM
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Everything is left "as is". Chris looses the boa, the money, and will never deal again with Dallas. Time will tell if the money Dallas made in this deal was worth it.
This is how it will be.
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11-10-2003, 12:50 AM
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hmmm....
I think it would be ethical for Dallas to send Chris back the money for the cost of the boa/shipping MINUS the vet expenses. IMO, if your not "shady" Dallas, this is what you would do. I think it is very unethical for you to get a FULL refund and then turn around and sell the snake for a PROFIT. You weren't selling the animal for the cost of the vet visit, so you could come out even, you were trying to make a profit. There is nothing wrong with making a profit, but there is when the other guy is out his animal and his cash. I doubt Chris intentionally sent you a sick animal, and if you feel it is alright to go ahead and profit from his loss, that overshadows everything written here so far in my eyes, and does present you as "shady" IMO. It all comes down to your morals I guess. Take care!
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11-10-2003, 11:40 AM
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I'm so thankful for the BOI for this very reason. Regardless of the outcome this situation it raises many red flags with regards to future deals with Dallas.
I took a boa to the vet with a "slight" RI years ago and it cost me $150 for the visit and medication/shots. I received an itemized receipt that clearly showed the fee for the exam. I don't know of any professional vet who wouldn't charge or show a charge for the actual visit. And I think it's unethical to sell something that was previously ill without stating the animal's previous condition.
By the way, the vet will have a record of the visit as well as the animal's particulars. You have to fill out an information sheet before the vet will see the animal.
Paul Snyder
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04-25-2004, 10:59 PM
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I rember dallas complaining about snakes with central nervous system disorder.
he says he had videos.
then we see the snakes for sale.
but no one ever sees the videos.
now we see dallas saying the snakes have RI
he says he has receipt from the vet.
then we see the snakes for sale
but no one ever sees the so called receipts from the vet.
looks like a pattern to me
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