Right or Wrong? Good or Bad?

YOU CAN REMOVE THE POSTS WEBSLAVE, BUT THE FACTS STILL STAND. MATT HUNTER LOST $550, CHRISTOPHER ROWAN LOST OVER $2000, DWIGHT CAMERON LOST MONEY AND I LOST MONEY AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. THIS WAS A CRIMINAL ACT AND BEFORE IT IS OVER ALOT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS.

See, now that wasn't tough at all now was it Bill?  Just post your messages in one of the several threads already started about this issue and I won't have to delete your messages.

I'm sorry if you find my rules burdensome, but that's just the way it has to be.  Or didn't you notice the OTHER people in that thread complaining about the multiple threads as well, before I deleted their messages along with yours?  But you, I guess, are the only injured party, now aren't you Bill?  I don't hear them crying foul and calling me names.

Enjoy.

I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS REQUESTING ME TO REPOST THIS INFORMATION, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN VIEW THE FACTS AND DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. SO HERE YOU GO.....



TO AVOID ANY MORE CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THREAD TO READ, I HAVE CHOSEN TO START A NEW THREAD WITH FACTS ONLY. AS I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PREVIOUS THREADS, I DO NOT POST OR TALK ABOUT HEARSAY INFORMATION. I STICK TO THE FACTS AT HAND. I SPOKE WITH THE MANAGER TODAY AT PET KINGDOM, THE LARGEST REPTILE PET STORE IN SAN DIEGO. THE MANAGERS' NAME, IN THE REPTILE DEPARTMENT, IS KENNY. HERE IS KENNY'S PHONE NUMBER AT PET KINGDOM IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CALL AND TALK TO HIM FOR YOURSELF: 619-224-2841. KENNY spam_TOLD ME HE USED TO BE A GOOD FRIEND OF DALE PICOLLAS, BUT AFTER SEVERAL BAD DEALINGS, MANY LIES, AND PROBLEMS DEALING WITH DALE, THE FRIENDSHIP HAD DEFINATELY COME TO AN END. HE IS GOING TO HAVE THE OWNER, BILL BENNET, CALL ME TOMORROW AND SUPPLY MYSELF AND MY ATTORNEY A FULL REPORT ON MR. PICOLLA.

I ALSO SPOKE TO DWIGHT CAMERON TODAY, A MAN THAT DALE ADMITIDLY SOLD 3 BOAS TO. DWIGHT TOLD ME THAT ALL 3 OF THE BOAS HAD DIED SHORTLY AFTER PURCHASING THEM. HE CONTACTED MR. PICOLLA AND ALL HE GOT WAS THE RUN AROUND. SO HE HAD HIS WIFE CANCEL THE CREDIT CARD PAYMENT. SO NOW, CHRISTOPHER ROWAN (OWNER OF PET CRAZY IN SAN DIEGO) IS STUCK WITH THE BILL, SINCE HE PAID DALE OUT OF HIS REGISTER FOR THE CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION.
DALE NOW HAS CHRIS' MONEY, MATTS' MONEY, DWIGHTS' MONEY FOR SHIPPING, MY $1200, AND I'M SURE THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. AND ALL WE HAVE ARE DEAD OR SICK BOAS. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT, AND IN FACT, THE WORST PROBLEM I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN THE 22 YEARS OF KEEPING AND BREEDING BOAS.

THE IBD ISSUE IS ONE THING, BUT THE FACT THAT DALE LIED AND DECEIVED SO MANY PEOPLE IS WHAT BOTHERS ME. HE KNOWS HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE, EVEN THE FRED'S, GIANT KEEPERS, GARY WALSH'S, NEIL GUBITZ'S, JOE ROMELY'S, TOM MCCARTHY'S, AND SEVERAL OTHERS CLAIMING TO BE IN THIS "FRAT", ALONG WITH MR. PICOLLA. TO YOU BOYS, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I GRADUATED A LONG TIME AGO AND I WAS NEVER IN A FRAT OF ANY KIND, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD HATE TO BE IN YOURS RIGHT NOW. AND BY THE WAY, MR. PICOLA ALSO REALIZES HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT. I HAVE COPIED AND PASTED THE E-MAIL HE JUST SENT ME, BELOW:


spam_I WENT HOME LAST NIGHT, EXHAUSTED FROM ALL THE FIGHTING AND ANGER AND HATE THAT I AM HOLDING INSIDE. THIS IS NOT HOW THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR YOU AND I. I KNOW YOU HAVE CHILDREN, AND SO DO I. AND THEY DONT NEED TO BE A WITNESS TO THIS OR OUR WIVES FOR THAT MATTER. BILL, I DONT BELIEVE YOU ARE A BAD PERSON. IN FACT,
I REALLY DONT LIKE LISTENING TO HERE SAY, AND I LET THIS GET THE BEST OF ME. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WAS WRONG FOR HOW I HANDELED THE PERUVIAN DEAL. YOU SELL GOOD SNAKES, AND I BELIEVE IT. WHAT MATTERS HERE IS THAT TWO GROWN MEN PUT THIS HORRIFIC SITUATION
BEHIND THEM. I WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO MAKE THAT ATTEMPT, SINCE
I BELIEVE I AM TO BLAME AS MUCH OR MORE FOR MALIGNING STATEMENTS
MADE TOWARD YOU AND INDIRECTLY, YOUR FAMILY. IT IS TIME TO DO SOME MENDING, AND IT NEEDS TO START SOMEWHERE. THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY, AND IF YOU AND I WERE ON SPEAKING TERMS, WELL I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN MORE SUPPORTIVE OF YOU.
AND YOU OF ME. I KNOW THE STATEMENTS YOU MADE ABOUT ME, WERE MADE OUT OF FRUSTRATION,AND AGAIN IS ALL HERESAY. THIS BOI ISNT BEING UTILIZED THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, AND I HOLD THE MANGEMENT
RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. JUST IN THE SHORT TIME I TALKED TO YOU, I FEEL
THAT YOU ARE LEVEL HEADED, AND PURPOSE YOURSELF TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE ARE IN A BUSINESS WHERE WE CANT PLEASE EVERYONE, AS YOU CAN SEE. I MEAN, HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF INFO BEING THROWN OUT BY I DONT KNOW WHO; LET ME EXPLAIN. THOSE BOAS I SOLD TO MR. CAMERON; I STILL DONT KNOW IF THEY DIED OR NOT. ITS BEEN A MONTH AND A HALF AND NO VET REPORT OR PICS. SOUND FAMILIAR? I THINK
YOU HAVE HAD SIMILAR DEALINGS WITH PEOPLE. ANYWAY NOT TO GET OFF THE SUBJECT, I WANT O MAKE A FULL STATEMENT WITH YOUR PERMISSION. I WANT YOU TO POST IT. YOU CAN READ IT FIRST. I WILL
MAKE THIS MY FINAL AND IT NEEDS TO BE MY FINAL. I HAVE A PREETY GOOD IDEA NOW WHERE THIS VIRUS CAME FROM, I WOULD LIKE TO
EXPLAIN THIS WHOLE SITUATION TO YOU IN A PHONE CONVERSATION.
THIS IS A VERY POTENTIALLY LEATHAL SITUATION. MYSELF, AND ANOTHER
PERSON ARE COMPILING EVIDENCE AGAINST PARTIES WHO KNOWINGLY
PASSED ANIMALS AND MAY BE CONTINUALLY SEELING THEM WITH OUT
DISCLOSING FACT RELEVANT TO FINDINGS OF THERE ANIMALS SHOWING UP
POSITIVE FOR IBD. THIS IS A BEAUTY! SINCE THIS IS A LOCAL BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT, AND THE ANIMALS TESTED BY A VET, COUNTY RECORDS
HAVE A COMPLETE DOCUMENTATION OF THE RESULTS.I BELIEVE I HAVE
THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION TO THE ORIGIN OF THE VIRUS THAT WENT TO CHRIS RED. HE NEEDS TO CHILL OUT. AND SO DO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
ITS ALMOST GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SCREEN OUR CUSTOMERS BEFORE WE SELL TO THEM.YOU ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
I AM NOT THE PROBLEM. I HEARD FROM A FEW PEOPLE WHERE YOU
SAID, AND I QUOTE, IF DALE WOULD JUST CALL ME. WELL HERE WE ARE
BETTER LATE THEN NEVER. BUT AS I SAT THERE LAST NIGHT AND RELIZED
THAT YOU AND I DONT HAVE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP LIKE THIS. AND I WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO TRY AND PATCH THINGS UP TRY TO PRESENT SOME FACTS THAT WILL CLEAR YOUR NAME WHICH I SUPPORT. AND ALSO
INFORM, WITHOUT PASSING THE BUCK. YOU WILL CLEARLY SEE THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I AHVE A FRIEND WHO HAS A TRINIDAD BOA THAT WAS SOLD TO HIM RECENTLY. IT IS DYING FROM IBD. IT CAME OUT OF ABREEDING GROUP OF TRINIS THAT TESTED POSITIVE FOR IBD. YET THIS INDIVIDUAL DECIDED TO SELL MY FRIEND THIS ANIMAL. YOU ARE GETTING MY POINT. spam_CALL ME BILL, ITS TIME TO PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER.

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I KNOW THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL SAY "DALE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING, HE'S TRYING TO MAKE UP." BUT THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE DOES WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING WRONG. AT THIS POINT, I AM NOT WILLING TO FORGIVE AND FORGET. NOR IS DWIGHT CAMERON, CHRISTOPHER ROWAN, AND SEVERAL OTHERS. THESE TWO MEN HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO GO TO COURT WITH ME AND TO PROVIDE MANY CHARACTER WITNESSES. WE ARE OUT ALOT OF MONEY OVER THIS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM AFTER. MR. PICOLLA AND SEVERAL OF HIS FRIENDS HAVE SLANDERED ME AND TRIED TO RUIN MY GOOD REPUTATION AND MY BUSINESS. THIS IS ILLEGAL AND WRONG, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT BACK AND WATCH A FEW FOOLS RUIN THIS HOBBY THAT WE ALL LOVE. IF ANYONE DISAGREES WITH ME, PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR FEELINGS AND REASONING BEHIND THOSE FEELINGS.

THANKS TO EVERYONE AND GOD BLESS.
YOUR FRIEND AND FELLOW HERPER, BILL  
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hey billy ... heres a great idea ... ok listen CAREFULLY if people want to here your crying .. YES CRYING why dont you simple SEND OUT EMAILS TO THOSE WHO WANT TO HEAR YA  because i think im starting to speak for ALL here we are tired of seeing  BILL cagle  & IBD .As others have posted since last night  your lawyers obvisouly did not finish law school or if he did it was at the BOTTOM of his class. its startinng to appear theat the IBD is starting to change the meaning from Inclusion Body Disase to Is Billy Dumb!!! your lawyer has obvioulsy studied at a less then credible Law school or maybe hes just a online lawyer? although i dont know you , more and more everyday im starting to really dislike you the way you handle yourself under pressure is pathetic , almost like a kid who had his toys takeing at the school playground? think about it .. man your down to one toe on each foot now dude  you need to stop while you are still able to stand .

I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS OR TO PROMOTE MY SELF IN ANY WAY. I AM ONLY HERE TO TELL THE FACTS, SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY A FEW OF YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

I SPOKE WITH BILL BENNET THIS MORNING, THE OWNER OF PET KINGDOM, THE LARGEST REPTILE PETSTORE IN SAN DIEGO,CA. HERE IS HIS NUMBER IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CALL AND SPEAK WITH HIM PERSONALLY: 619-224-2841. MR. BENNET AND ONE OTHER VICTIM HAVE AGREED TO PURSUE THIS ALONG WITH ME. WE AREN'T INVESTIGATING THE WEBSLAVE, SO OF COURSE THIS SITE IS NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID ON THIS BOI,THAT IS WHY RICH HAS A LEGAL DISCLAIMER. MY LAWYER SIMPLY ADVISED ME THAT WE NEEDED TO PRINT OFF EVERYTHING IN EVERY THREAD, EMAIL, ETC. SO WE HAVE GONE TO THE TROUBLE TO MAKE NINE FILES ON NINE DIFFERENT THREADS, AND THEY VARY FROM 5-27 PAGES EACH. IF ANYONE THINKS THIS WAS DONE JUST FOR FUN, AND NOT UNDER THE ADVICE OF AN ATTORNEY, YOU ARE BADLY MISTAKEN. I AM ACTUALLY MORE TIRED OF THIS THREAD THAN ANYONE. BUT THE FACTS STILL REMAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE REPTILE COMMUNITY ARE VERY UNHAPPY. I NOW HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN SAN DIEGO AND AN INDIVIDUAL IN FLORIDA, THAT HAVE JOINED FORCES TO FIGHT THIS LEGAL BATTLE.
THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE IN STATES THAT ARE BOTH ABOUT AS FAR AS YOU CAN GET FROM TENNESSEE, AND THEY HAVE BOTH AGREED THAT THIS PROBLEM HAS GONE TOO FAR. THE REPTILE COMMUNITY IS A TIGHT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT STICK TOGETHER WHEN DONE WRONG. THANKFULLY, SINCE THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE MR. BENNET AND MYSELF THAT DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING SLANDERED, AND FOR ALL THE OTHER VICTIMS, WE HAVE DECIDED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO STOP THESE PROBLEMS. IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT PRINCIPLE. I SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN....."RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG."

See, Bill?  Aren't you glad I cut that other thread out of here?  Otherwise you would have to post the same message in yet another thread.  Perhaps you now see why I would want to keep the number of threads about a single topic down to the bare minimum.  It's a senseless waste of computer resources that I have to pay for.  It is a problem for people knowing which thread to read next and which one is most current about the issue. It is also a problem for people posting about the topic in hand knowing which thread they should post in, or otherwise post in ALL of them, such as you find yourself having to do right now.

By all rights, I should chop out your duplicate messages, but how much you wanna bet that you'll start crying foul again and assuming I am discriminating against you?

Want to know the truth?  I don't give a rat's patootie either way about whom is right or wrong in this issue.  And unless people get it into their heads that a STRICT quarantine proceedure is going to be an absolute necessity, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Personally, although I do not even have any boids, my collection of corn snakes is virtually a closed collection because there are other bugs out there other than IBD that I would rather avoid.  I can't risk the work I am doing on someone dumping a collection because they got a bad bug and want to cut their losses by selling off their stock. EVERYTHING I get in, which is few and far between these days, goes in quarantine, sometimes for as much as a year.  People whom will buy adults and immediately use them for breeders with their long term animals are bordering on insanity.

So enough of this.  I welcome you to help stop the problem in a responsible manner.  But this needs to happen quickly, starting right now. Lawsuits will not solve the problem, because it needs to point to culpability.  With a long term asymptomatic pathological condition like this, it will be extremely difficult to prove guilt in a court of law.  It is education and common sense, and dealing with people and businesses that will educate their customers and deal with their own business in a common sense manner that will make or break this issue.

But how many would be strong enough when they hear a customer say "Gee, that's exactly the male I am looking for and I  going to throw him right on my female!" to tell the customer that they are being dangerously foolish?  But that's what is going to have to happen.

BILL LET ME HELP YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. MAN YOU ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN TAKE TO COURT. I THINK WOPNER IS STILL DOING PET PEOPLES COURT. MR. CAMERON HAS HAD A MONTH AND A HALF TO PROVE THOSE BOAS DIED. NOTHING BILL HAS BEEN SENT, NOTHING! MR ROWAN IS OUT $1200.00, THAT I AM WILLING TO GIVE TO HIM. HE SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED ME IMMEDIATELY UPON NOTIFICATION. THIS HASNT HAPPENED YET.IF MR. CAMERON CANT SHOW ME PROOF, THEN I WILL HAVE TO GO AFTER HIM IN COURT FOR THE $1200.00.PET KINGDOM SOLD A SNAKE TO A GUY I KNOW WITH IBD.THEY
DID THIS KNOWINGLY.PASS IT ON TO YOUR ATTORNEY.

Well for one thing Bill I resent you putting me in a " FRAT " which I have never claimed to be in, in fact I have tried to reach you several times by phone and all except the first time I got through to you , your line is always busy, so we have been unable to talk.  Never assume anything when it comes to me because you dont know me.  I would like to talk to you in person rather than read some of the insane posts made by both you and Dale, and to tell you the truth I am sorry I ever responded to this thread because I feel I would have been better off to let you and Dale yell at each other.  Maybe we can have a TV show like " The Celebrity Reptile Dealers Death Match " and the loser will be guilty .... hows that ?  This is insane !  I know some of the people who have been responding to this thread but I in no uncertain terms am in any kind of " FRAT " If anything I believe we are all in one frat and that is we all ( you would think ) love reptiles, I also belong to a herpetological society, but thats it, so dont make it out to be that the big mean " FRAT " boys are ganging up on you, because that is not the case.  All we want is the truth and to stop the spread of this disease.  Your goals should be the same.


Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles

Gary,
&nbsp; &nbsp; Don't worry about what Bill Cagle has to say? &nbsp;I e mailed him a long long time ago about him being slammed on this board <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;And he e mailed me back saying that he was the BOA KING and everyone was just jealous of him <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp;I think this says it all about Bill Cagle <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

Tom ,

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I just ticked me off how if anyone posted anything on these endless threads on this subject that even remotely showed Bill Cagle as being a part of this he just assumes everyone is evil and out to get him, instead of trying to deal with what is threatning our herps he is just worried about his reputation and the almighty $$$$$$ . &nbsp;I guess it never occured to him if he even showed the slightest bit of concern for people and their animals he would look a thousand times better than he does now. &nbsp;Bill is getting his attorney to try and stop the bad people from saying bad things about him and that is his big worry, his only worry. &nbsp;Hey Bill how about some compasion and some concern for your fellow herpers and their animals ? &nbsp;This whole issue makes me very angry and I truly hope that if something like this ever happens to me I will handle it with a lot more class.


Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles