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Old 07-22-2003, 12:47 AM   #1
Classic Dum's
Do You Want To Keep Your Rights To Own Reptiles? Read This!!!

Chicago is currently pushing a city wide ordinance to ban reptiles, birds, bats certain cats, wolves, hybrids and the list goes on. But don’t stop reading now because you think this doesn’t affect you because you don’t live in Chicago. What they are pushing is the exact same ordinance passed a while back in NYC verbatim. They only thing they have changed is the references made to NYC, they simply cut out NYC and added Chicago. I spoke to the women today who rewrote the ordinance and asked her why they were pushing this. Now this lady is a lawyer supposedly educated, her response to me was “because my boss thinks it’s a good idea”. From there I asked her why it’s a good idea “well for one I think reptiles can make people sick……..oh and they can be dangerous as well”. I asked her what reptiles can make people sick with? “I don’t know people get sick from handling them” Those were her responses verbatim, she “thinks” reptiles can make people sick? Come on these people don’t have a clue! WE HAVE TO STOP THIS NOW!!!!!! We all cant allow this to go on any further. I don’t care if you own one or 1000 reptiles it will effect you. This is the PERFECT example of how laws get passed in one place plagiarized and passed in another. Anyone who breeds reptiles, sells supplies, feeders anything at all reptile related this will affect you. Chicago is a giant market, between the city and the suburbs that this is sure to spill over into theres 7-11million people that can and will be affected locally + every single person who ships reptile/critters or supplies into the area that will lose that market. Chicago is simply one of the largest cities in the US and if they can push this there its going to be a breeze anywhere else. I know someone is going to come along and say something about how they passed it in NYC but its unenforceable because the way it was written. Well I tell you this the hard part is getting it passed from there revising it and making it enforceable isnt that difficult. Its easier to stop it now then it is to get something reasonable added once its passed. I have someone tonight who is scanning the ordinance for me and tomorrow I will post the whole thing as it stands once I find a place to put it. How ever for tonight I will type the section concerning reptiles word for word and also post the contact info for the lady who written it and the Alderman sponsoring it. So please contact these people and tell them this ordinance sucks!!!! Call and write them letters, they will put more priority on then emails but I will post them to. At the very least if you live in Deerfield PA or some other place, please email them and let them know this isn’t right. If ya can call and write them letters and get everyone you can to as well. Also as soon as I have it I will post the address and info for the hearing concerning this and I beg everyone that can to show up, Ill be there and I am driving 5hrs. They are trying to push this through the “Police and Fire” committee. What do the Police and fire committee have to do with reptiles you ask? NOTHING! Sending it through a committee such as that us a sneaky way of getting it passed. The people there will know little to nothing about this issue and probably wont care so they’ll all vote one way so they can get on with business to something they care about. Anyway heres the contact info and section about reptiles as they stand. PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!!!

Contact
This Ordinance is being sponsored by
Alderman Edward Burke
2650 W 51st st
Chicago Il 60632
773-471-1414
312-744-3380
cburke@cityofchicago.org

Co-Sponsor
Shirley Coleman
1249 W. 63rd st
Chicago Il, 60636
773-918-1670
sacoleman@cityofchicago.org

This was written by
Michelle Murphy 312-744-3380

Please contact them immediately!!! Tomorrow I will post a list of 20 other Aldermans you can contact as well who will be voting on this.

(10) Reptile(reptilia) All Helodermatidae(gila monster and mexican beaded lizards) all front-fanged venomous snakes, even if its devenomized, including but not limited to, all viperidea(viper, pit viper), all elapiidae(cobra, momba, krait, coral snake), All Atractaspididae(african burrowing asp), all hydrophidae(sea snake), all Latieaudidae(sea Krait) all venomous, mid or rear fanged, duernoy-glanded members of the family Colubridae, even if devenomized; any member, or hybrid offspring of the family boidae, including but not limited to, the common or green or anaconda and yellow anaconda;any member of the family pythonidae, including but not limited to African rock python, indian or burmese python, amethystine or scrub python; any member of the family Varanidae, including the white throated monitor, Bose’s or African savannah monitor, komodo monitor or dragon, nile monitor, crocodile monitor, water monitor, bornean ealess monitor, any member of the family iguanidae, including the common or green iguana, any member of the family teidae including but not limited to the golden, common or balck and white tegu; all members of the family Chelydridae, including snapping turtle and alligator snapping turtle; and all members of the family crocodylia including, but not limited to alligator, caiman and crocodile.

Thats how it reads verbatim. So you can forget your pastel, spider, pied ball pythons, dwarf species of boas of coarse not limited to and including albinos, sunglows, snows, motleys. If the ordinance passes you will never have the chance to own any of the above and if you do you better prey no one ever turns you in(POed Ex-girlfriend, competitor) because if they do your $10,000 Pied will become city property! We need to take action NOW!!!!!! So please write and call these people. Also I still need volunteers to work as liaisons to pass this sort of info along in other states. Also if you know of anything of this sort going on in your state please let me know. Send me links or info to get a copy of the bill, I will do everything I can to pass the info on to as many people as I can. And if you know of a herp society in your area please email there contact info(phone number, web site address, mailing addy, email addy, just anything). I want to comply list of all herp societies but don’t have the time to do searches and in a lot of cases they arent even listed on the net. I will get it all listed on my web site or start another on or something. But please email any helpful info you can as I will be posting this anywhere and everywhere I can and wont have time to go back and read all the replies. So please get active!!!!!!!!
Jason Sweigart
Classic@dumerils.com
www.dumerils.com
 
Old 07-22-2003, 10:44 AM   #2
Jerry Dorgan
Thumbs up ban on reptiles

Jason,

Thank you for posting this information. I've emailed these people, hope something can be done to stop this act of ignorance.
 
Old 07-22-2003, 01:01 PM   #3
Classic Dum's
Ok I found all the committee info. Please write all these people. These are the people on the “Police and Fire” committee that will be hearing arguments concerning this ordinance. First I will post the contact info of every member on the committee, then I will post some sample letters sent to me. Please don’t write in and say this sucks. I was a little upset when I posted yesterday but we must keep this professional or they will not take any of us serious. So use these as drafts letter, please don’t copy and paste because if they receive the below letters 20 times they’ll laugh at us. Just use them as a guide. Also I have started emailing the big supply places Big Apple etc. We need to remind these big companies how large of a market they will lose if this passes and force them to get active. These companies have huge customer bases, thousands of names, emails and addresses that this stuff can be forwarded to. All they have to do is ad a flier into there shipments, that would a be a huge help. Anyone selling/shipping animals, supplies etc. inot Chicago needs to let these people know they oppose because of the large amount of money they stand to lose. If these companies get enough letters from us(their customers) to get active maybe we can persuade them to help. So if you have time please email them as well. I beg every person reading this to do something. I am no different then anyone else I have 3 kids(a 2 week old, 18 month old and 10yr old), a huge rodent colony, snakes, monitors etc all that require my attention. I am taking time to do this and get this info out there. All I want in return is for you to please take 10 minutes out of your day to write or call these people. If you can do more and spread the word, THANK YOU! If all you can do is spend a few minutes writing a well thought out letter, THANK YOU as well!! at the very least please send them an email. Please don’t read this and walk away because your in CA or else where. Someday it could be you and in the last 6 months we have seen more legislation then in the last 10yrs. So whens its your city there may be no one left to help. We have to unite and stop this. So please in return all I want is for you to take a little time and contact these people. Later on I will have the scanned proposal up for everyone to read, were working on that now. The hearing for this will be some time next month a date should be set next week after the next baord meeting. As soon as I have a date it will be posted. Also couple of people asked for reference numbers concerning the ordinance. According the city council people I spoke with they do not assign numbers till after the ordinance passes the committee hearing it. So in other words there will be no reference number till after the “Police and Fire” committee has their hearing about this next month some time. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER GETS A NUMBER BECAUSE WE DEFEAT IT.

Heres the page all the contact info was taken from
http://www.chicityclerk.com/citycoun...s/listing.html

These are the people on the committee who will be hearing the ordinance
President
Alderman: Isaac Carothers Ward Office: 5937 West Madison Avenue
Chicago, Il 60644 Ward Phone: 773-261-4646 E-Mail: icarothers@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 203
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-3070

Vice Chairman
Alderman: Virginia A. Rugai Ward Office: 10444 S. Western Ave.
Chicago, IL 60643 Ward Phone: 773-238-8766 Fax: 773-238-9049 E-Mail: vrugai@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 300
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-3072

The rest are all members.
Alderman: Madeline L. Haithcock Ward Office: 449 E. 35th Street
Chicago, IL 60616 Ward Phone: 773-924-0014 E-Mail: mhaithcock@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 300
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-6836

Alderman: John A. Pope
Ward Office: 3522 E. 106th Street
Chicago, IL 60617
Ward Phone: 773-721-1999
E-Mail: jpope@cityofchicago.org
City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 300
Chicago, IL 60602
City Hall Phone: 312-744-3078

Alderman: James A. Balcer Ward Office: 3659 S. Halsted St.
Chicago, IL 60609 Ward Phone: 773-254-6677 E-Mail: jbalcer@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 203
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-6663

Alderman: George A. Cardenas Ward Office: 2829 W. Cermak Rd.
Chicago, IL 60623
Temporary Location Ward Phone: 773/843-9955 E-Mail: T.B.A. City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 203
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-3040

Alderman: Edward M. Burke Ward Office: 2650 W. 51st Street
Chicago, IL 60632 Ward Phone: 773-471-1414 E-Mail: eburke@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 302
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-3380

Alderman: Thomas W. Murphy Ward Office: 8146 S. Kedzie Ave.
Chicago, IL 60652 Ward Phone: 773-471-1991 E-Mail: tmurphy@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 300
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-6856

Alderman: Arenda Troutman Ward Office: 5859 S. State St.
Chicago, IL 60621 Ward Phone: 773-324-5224 E-Mail: atroutman@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 300
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-6840

Alderman: Daniel S. Solis Ward Office: 2439 S. Oakley
Chicago, IL 60608 Ward Phone: 312-843-1200 E-Mail: dsolis@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 203
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-6845

Alderman: Margaret Laurino Ward Office: 4404 W. Lawrence Ave.
Chicago, IL 60630 Ward Phone: 773-736-5594 E-Mail: mlaurino@cityofchicago.org City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 203
Chicago, IL 60602 City Hall Phone: 312-744-7242

Alderman: Patrick J. O'Connor
Ward Office: 5850 N. Lincoln Ave.
Chicago, IL 60659
Ward Phone: 773-769-1140
E-Mail: poconnor@cityofchicago.org
City Hall Office: 121 N. Lasalle St.
Room 305
Chicago, IL 60602
City Hall Phone: 312-744-6858


Here is a couple of sample letters that can be used as examples, please don’t plagiarize them, just use them as guides. I don’t care if your in Great Britain please write these people.

My name is Dr. Bryan Grieg Fry, I am a US Citizen specialising in research on venomous snakes. I am writing in regards to recent proposed legislation (House bill 1725 and Senate Bill 5729) regarding exotic wildlife as pets. These are pre-packaged pieces of legislation put together as part of a campaign by the "Animal Protection Institute" to ban the keeping of animals as pets. While they operate under the guise of concern for public safety, their motivation is simply outlawing pets pure and simple. They have put the exact same bill (word for word) into legislative debate in other States. Recently sanity prevailed (after much bad press) and the bill was defeated in South Carolina. In regards to the specific proposed legislation to ban exotic animals, on the surface this may appear to be reasonable to protect the public. However, a closer examination reveals that the such protection may not be needed. The incidence of exotic animal related injuries is far dwarfed by that of 'companion' animals such as dogs and cats. In API's selective citing of venomous animal related injuries, the vast majority of cases are due to native species in the wild. The bites to private keepers by exotic snakes is quite low and there has never been an instance of one of these snakes escaping and injuring a member of the public. Further, the habitat is unsuitable so in the case of an escape, the chances of long term survival is very unlikely. They neglect to cite the incidence of injury from cats, dogs or horses. In my personal and professional opinion, a lot of benefit, both scientifically, ecologically and economically, arises from the captive keeping of exotic animals. Rather than ban them and make the permits for the existing snakes prohibitively expensive, why not implement a system similar to the rational one in place in Florida? By allowing private keepers who have demonstrated competence to keep the animals, public safety will actually be improved. Rational regulation such as this allows keepers to be above board and thus seek proper medical care in the event of a snake envenomation for example rather than 'trying to ride it out' so that they don't risk losing their snakes. Further, a system such as Florida's will better ensure that the snakes are kept in secure enclosures rather than banning them. If the snakes are banned, then no system will be in place to make sure they are kept properly. People will still keep the snakes, they just will be more furtive about it. As for the specific species of snakes mentioned, the ones in the colubridae are not accurate as a reflection of potential danger. Other than outsized specimens chewing on children for an hour in Guan, no Boiga species has ever caused a serious envenomation. That said, Rhabdophis species are well known to produce serious envenomation. Thus I would recommend the dropping of Boiga and the addition of the Rhabdophis genus. As for the monitor lizards, while Varanus salvator is one of the largest, it is also one of the tamest of all the Varanus species and thus is of very low danger. The incidence of injury by large snakes is extremely low. This is contrary to the impression given by the API and the proposed legislation. In regards to Zoonosis (diseases spread by animals to humans). I have attached below a letter by veterinarians. If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me. All the best, Bryan Grieg Fry, Ph.D. Australian Venom Research Unit Department of Pharmacology University of Melbourne Parkville, Vic 3010 Australia ------------------ ASSOCIATION OF REPTILIAN AND AMPHIBIAN VETERINARIANS RESPONSE TO HSUS PROPOSAL FOR BAN ON REPTILE PETS. November 10, 2001 To the editor, We are writing in response to the recent publication by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), "Reptiles as Pets: An Examination of the Trade in Live Reptiles in the United States." While we applaud HSUS for highlighting many of the problems associated with the trade in live reptiles, we cannot agree with their conclusion that the reptile trade must be ended, and that the sale of reptiles as pets should be banned. Maintaining captive reptiles can be a rewarding, educational experience, and in some cases may have significant conservation value. Problems associated with the reptile pet trade have been noted by conservation biologists, herpetologists, and veterinarians for decades. These problems include, but are not limited to, zoonotic diseases such as Salmonellosis, damage to wild populations of rare species due to over- collection, introduction of non-native species or exotic diseases, and animal welfare issues regarding transportation of reptiles and survival of reptiles in captivity. These are serious concerns; however, such problems can be overcome by effective education, legislation, and research. Caring for a captive reptile, like caring for any animal, can provide an understanding of the organism that can be achieved in no other way. It may pique ones curiosity, leading to further, more advanced study. Most professional herpetologists, reptile veterinarians, reptile curators, etc. report that maintaining reptiles as pets was an influential part of their childhood and may have guided their career choice. As habitat loss and urbanization continue, maintaining captive reptiles may provide ones only exposure to these organisms. Individuals that maintain captive reptiles are likely to be more concerned with local, regional, and global reptile conservation issues than individuals that have never seen or touched a live reptile. In her recent book "Why the Wild Things Are: Animals in the Lives of Children", psychologist Gail Melson investigates the potential benefit that animals may provide in childhood development. While the field is largely unexplored, Melson suggests that pets may play a role in the development of nurturing skills, compassion, affection, and "may function as a meaning system through which children make sense of both themselves and their surrounding environments." We believe that these theories are true, and that owning a corn snake as a child can be as developmentally important as owning a dog. Obviously, good judgement on the part of a responsible adult is needed, and one must ensure that children caring for reptiles are mature enough to provide proper care and hygiene for the animal, while maintaining their own safety from zoonotic disease. Owning a reptile requires a commitment of time and money as with any pet. It also requires that an appropriate animal be chosen for a given circumstance, and that ethical concerns be addressed. It is no more reasonable to think that a large aggressive reptile will be a good pet than to think that a large aggressive dog will be a good pet. It is no more reasonable to expect an ill, dehydrated, imported reptile to adapt to captivity than to expect a parasitized, parvovirus-infected puppy from a poor source to thrive in its new home. There are a number of species of reptiles now available in the pet trade that are born in captivity, remain relatively small, have known husbandry requirements, and can be obtained in healthy condition from reputable sources. Examples of species in this category are bearded dragons, leopard geckos, corn snakes, milk snakes, ball pythons, and Mediterranean tortoises. Salmonella is a well-known zoonotic disease associated with keeping captive reptiles. Human fatalities do occur from reptile- associated Salmonellosis. However, we are well aware of the risk of zoonotic disease associated with owning dogs, cats, birds, horses, etc, as well as the threat of fatal trauma induced by some dogs or horses. An estimated three to four million dog bites occur each year in the US, half of which involve children. Salmonella is just one of dozens of zoonotic diseases we may get from our pets. Should we avoid owning all animals to prevent zoonoses? The risk of Salmonellosis can be reduced by following guidelines established by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians (ARAV), which are available from the ARAV. Decreasing the massive importation and exportation of reptiles may be desirable, particularly for species whose post- importation survival is known to be poor. As an example, we know that hingeback tortoises (Kinixys spp.), that were imported by the thousands from Africa in the past decade, do very poorly in captivity, as do many, many other species. Ending the trade in such species would likely be met with little resistance, and is becoming more practical as more captive-born animals of other species become available However, we are not in favor of complete shut-down of the international reptile trade. There are many very motivated, dedicated private reptile keepers that have made tremendous contributions to herpetological taxonomy, husbandry techniques, and conservation based on the availability of imported animals. As an example, the endangered radiated tortoise (Geochelone radiata) from Madagascar was first bred in the US by a private individual in the 1970s. The progeny of this individuals group formed the basis of much of the captive-breeding program for this species later adopted by zoos throughout the country. More recently, the worlds known population of the endangered McCords box turtle (Cuora mccordi) has been nearly doubled by the breeding groups of private individuals. Completely eliminating the availability of imported specimens may prevent the development of captive assurance colonies of species that are being driven to extinction in their native habitats. While collection for the pet trade has undoubtedly damaged some species populations, habitat destruction and consumption in the international food trade remain the most significant threats to most reptile species. Concerns regarding the welfare of animals in transit and in captivity are valid. Improper shipping techniques and improper husbandry can result in mortality. However, I believe that the best approach to this is not to stop the trade in reptiles, but to work to constantly improve shipping regulations, inspections, penalties for violations, and dissemination of proper husbandry information. We have developed techniques to allow the humane movement of other species, and such techniques can be developed for reptiles. This may involve decreasing the numbers of animals moved in a given shipment, and may mean that prices of animals will increase; but such changes may be inevitable if the demand for healthy, ethically shipped animals increases. Husbandry techniques have improved greatly in the past decade and many excellent texts exist for most of the commonly kept reptiles. Owners that do not provide adequate husbandry simply have not done their research. This should not motivate a ban on reptile pets any more than the dog owner who calls their veterinarian on the day their [bleep] whelps and asks "what do I do?" should motivate a ban on dog ownership. Finally, regarding the issue of the introduction of exotic disease by imported reptiles, we are quite concerned. It is clear that the potential for exotic disease entering the US with reptiles exists. The case of African tortoises imported to Florida, found to be infected with ticks carrying the causative agent of Heartwater disease, brought this risk to the attention of many interested parties. However, this is another situation where research, rather than banishment, is needed. Since the original incident, and stimulated by the incident, an effective and safe acaracide has been identified for use in tortoises. By thinking about the problems, identifying risks, and increasing the vigilance of monitoring, it is possible to discover and address previously unrecognized diseases. If certain diseases are found that cannot be controlled, then an importation ban on the involved reptile species may be warranted. In conclusion, we believe that reptiles should be available as pets. It is desirable to greatly reduce the large-scale sale and importation of reptiles in favor of supporting the more selective sale of domestically bred reptiles of relatively easy to maintain species. The path to this end will involve participation of many groups, but at the forefront should be individual state governments. State governments have control over allowing collection of native animals, as well as which species may be sold in pet stores. In the past, many states have taken the approach of banning a few undesirable species, while allowing the sale of all other species. Perhaps states should consider instead allowing the sale of only certain species that have been captive bred and have known husbandry requirements. Provisions for more serious keepers to obtain permits to maintain restricted species could be issued based on guidelines established by each state. We encourage the veterinary and herpetological communities to voice their dissent to the conclusions of the HSUS Live Reptile Trade report. Sincerely, Charles J. Innis, VMD President, Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians Teresa Bradley. DVM Belton, MO Mark Mitchell, DVM, PhD Louisiana State University Elliot Jacobson, DVM, PhD, DACZM University of Florida Dale DeNardo, DVM, PhD University of Arizona Kevin Wright, DVM Phoenix, AZ William Griswold, DVM Tempe, AZ


These were forwarded to me by Bryan and he gave me permission to use as I see fit, so to him I want to say thank you.
 
Old 07-23-2003, 05:28 PM   #4
Classic Dum's
Hello, finally we got the scanned copies of the proposed ordinance for the ban on exotic animals in Chicago up. You can check it out at www.dumerils.com. All I ask is please only open those once and download them to your hard drive for later viewing. They are large files and will eat up a lot of bandwidth. I make a large portion of my income from the site and once my bandwidth is exceeded for the month my site will be shut down. So please download them and upload to a photo hosting company, your site, email them to people anything you can to spread the word and lighten the load on my site. This concerns Ferrets, sugar gliders and many other species of animals, insects etc so please spread the word to as many people as you can. Also I have received a lot of emails from people, I apologize for the delay in responding to them but its been rather overwhelming. I will do my best to respond to everyone so please bare with me. Thanks Jason
 
Old 07-23-2003, 05:55 PM   #5
gila7150
I noticed that you had the nerve to post this over on fieldherpers.com as well.
....so tell me, what's it like not having a conscience?
[url=http://www.fieldherpers.com/fieldherping/messages/2509.html]
 
Old 07-23-2003, 06:27 PM   #6
Classic Dum's
Quote:
noticed that you had the nerve to post this over on fieldherpers.com as well.....so tell me, what's it like not having a conscience?
You want to know what my conscience is telling me, to tell you? ........Ill tell ya...........GO TO HELL! Its your rights I am fighting for as well, even though IMO you seem to be one ignorant idiot. If you think I should let dissagrances from the past stand in the way of our rights IMO your a moron! I didnt see you posting about it??? Ill beat you didnt know till you read my post did ya? Theres alot of people I may or may not like within this hobby, but I am well aware of what we face and adult enough to put all the crap aside and stand along side you or anyone else to protect our rights. So ya know what I dont care if its fauna, ksnake, redtail, or feildherpers I will post any where I can to get exposure and get the job done to ensure this hobby has a future. So if you cant see the the childish crap that has gone on in the past, to see what really going on, thats not my problem!
 
Old 07-23-2003, 10:08 PM   #7
E2MacPets
Jason,

I thank you for what you are trying to do, but Rich did ask that you post information directly on here and not link to your own site.

That is my only contention with your actions here and now.
 
Old 07-23-2003, 10:24 PM   #8
Classic Dum's
Feel free to take it and post it anywhere you like I got it up on my site because it was th easiest and fastest way to get it up. To my knowledge he didnt tell me I couldnt do it. he told he wouldnt send the mass email to all 3000 or so members of this site if it was info linked to my site and not actual sources. This info is not on any goverment web site, according to the "police and fire" comitte secretary the city of chicago does not post this info on these ordinances until it passes the comittee seeing it. So there is no goverment source that I can post a link to. As far as I know the only please on the web this can be found is currently on my site. I have been trying to uplaod it to photo hosting companies all day but the files are to large for the 3 I have tried and when the files were shrunk to a size that the photo hosting compnay allowed it was pointless because you couldnt read it anyway. I threw it up as fast as I possiblly could as I have recived over 200 emails thus far of people requesting to see that. So if you or anyone has a better idea of a place to put it feel free to do so I would rather link to somehwere else then have my bandwidth for the month used and my site shut down till the 1st of next month.
 
Old 07-23-2003, 11:20 PM   #9
WebSlave
Jason,

You could have asked me to upload the files. I have two servers at the moment with 1.7 terrabytes of bandwidth per month between them. I think I could squeeze them in somewhere.

Matter of fact, come up with a reasonable domain name for this purpose, I will register the name, set it up on my server, and turn over the keys to the domain and server space for you to set it up for this express purpose. Free of charge. I know a couple of programmers that are looking for work, are good at what they do, yet don't charge an arm and a leg for their services. You will have to do the legwork on this, however, as I am getting ready to get REAL busy with my babies hatching out.

Just let me know.
 
Old 07-24-2003, 12:10 PM   #10
Classic Dum's
Finally we got the Chicago ban regs listed on a photo hosting site! Ban on all exotic

Either copy and paste this http://www.web-a-photo.com/pictures_...e?AlbumID=9525 or click the link below! When you open the album and click on one of the scanned pages to enlarge it. It will open a window when it does this in the upper left corner it says “max size/height” next to it is a drop down box with an arrow, in that box click “Original size” That will open it large enough to read it. If all your after is the reptile info its on page #3. Ive been on the phone and contact via email with over 6 herp societies from across the nation that are helping out. Don Hamper with the Columbus show will be handing out fliers this weekend at his show. Brian Potter from the Tinley Il show is doing the same. Pijac, CHS and countless others are all online to fight this, but please we still need your help. Write as many letters as you can and mail them in. They take mail more serious then emails, make as many phone calls as you can and spread the word to as many people as you can. For any one who wants copies of these if you can save them from this photo hosting deal email me and ill get them to you. I want to thank every who has taken the time to make a difference and YES every single email, letter and phone call is helping!!! Next week when I get the date of the hearing I will post it. Thanks Jason

P.S. Rich if you cold delete my web site out of my prior post and ad (see below for more details) in place or delete it all toghter I would apreciate it. Ill email ya the copies of the regs so you can get them up and get with ya later on about the offer. With everything I dont have the time right now. I gotta get into cleaning cages and what ont that have been put off all week while I have been dealing with this and get ready for a show this weekend.


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