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Old 04-25-2020, 12:30 AM   #11
herps420
I realized the images weren't working, so here is another shot:


not this:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAAAdAAAAABAJ

this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=adul...r5hr07j5EWRs1M
 
Old 04-25-2020, 08:16 AM   #12
Socratic Monologue
Hi Terry -- I got my black milks from you in 2016 or so, and they're doing great!

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I believe you are thinking of Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae which is the Black Milksnake. Lampropeltis micropholis is the Andean (or Ecuadorian) Milksnake that gets darker, but not solid black like gaigeae.
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the former Lampropeltis triangulum complex
Subspecies of Lampropeltis triangulum were dropped, and L.t. gaigeae, L.t.andesiana, and L.t.micropholis are now all Lampropeltis micropholis. What we call the 'Costa Rican Black Milk Snake' are a couple montane locales of micropholis from Costa Rica. Per this paper:

Sara Ruane, Robert W. Bryson, Jr., R. Alexander Pyron, Frank T. Burbrink, Coalescent Species Delimitation in Milksnakes (Genus Lampropeltis) and Impacts on Phylogenetic Comparative Analyses, Systematic Biology, Volume 63, Issue 2, March 2014, Pages 231–250, https://doi.org/10.1093/sysbio/syt099

http://www.kingsnake.nl/lampropeltis-micropholis/

http://reptile-database.reptarium.cz...es=micropholis

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/d...730ac91bc05288
 
Old 04-25-2020, 08:27 AM   #13
Socratic Monologue
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As for milksnakes, why do some milk snakes of the same species (unless they were wrongly listed as the same species) have the three bands that are blurred? I don't really like the look of that, I would like one that has the three colors bright and seperate. (sorry if I'm being picky)
A lot of this has to do with selective breeding. Wild (or 'wild type') snakes will typically be not so clean looking as nice captive bred snakes (the latter is what you'd be buying, with most milk species). If you find a snake for sale (so, look at ads) that you like the look of, then you can go back and learn about the species and see if it is interesting to you.

I'd strongly advise handling a couple milks before you buy. I bred pueblans and nelsons, and owned a honduran, and over time I found that other than being really pretty, and easy to care for, and easy to breed, their general attitude wasn't rewarding.
 
Old 04-26-2020, 04:51 PM   #14
acecurl16
I have Black Milks, Russian Rats, and Korean Rat .. all do well at lower temps than most .. but like a little basking area .. of these .. my Russians and Black Milks are my favorites!
 
Old 04-26-2020, 07:45 PM   #15
herps420
Does anyone know where I could find a blue racer? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
 
Old 04-26-2020, 08:29 PM   #16
Socratic Monologue
You could post a wanted ad.
 
Old 04-26-2020, 09:16 PM   #17
terrylove
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Hi Terry -- I got my black milks from you in 2016 or so, and they're doing great!
That's so great to hear!
 
Old 04-26-2020, 09:22 PM   #18
Beyond GenetiX
Elaphe davidi do not need heat.
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Old 04-27-2020, 03:08 PM   #19
herps420
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Elaphe davidi do not need heat.
those really look like baby gopher snakes! I love them!
 
Old 04-27-2020, 04:33 PM   #20
herps420
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Elaphe davidi do not need heat.
they actually look identical.... are you sure it is elaphe davidi?
 

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