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Old 07-14-2006, 07:46 PM   #1
FloridaHogs
BEWARE- WildandWacky Reptiles - John John Peragine

This guy ripped me off good! I thought I was buying 3 Southern Hognose Females, with 2 of them gravid. Of course I paid extra for the "gravid" females. What I got was 2 females and a male. Neither female was gravid, and one of them was blind! Not to mention that just this week, within 30 days of receipt, the male died of a virus very similar to IBD in Boas. He did offer to refund the difference between the male and female price, but NEVER followed through. He has since cut of all communication, and refuses to respond to any emails. I paid through paypal, so I am wondering if there is any recourse through that route for false advertisement? This guy also goes by Mister Johns Farm.
 
Old 07-14-2006, 07:50 PM   #2
ms_terese
Do you have emails that document the course of this transaction? If so, please post them. I'm not sure what your recourse may be with PayPal. I'm guessing since you accepted the animals, even though they weren't as advertised, that you jeopardized your remedies.
 
Old 07-14-2006, 09:24 PM   #3
FloridaHogs
From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:17:53 -0500

Do you still have the southern female? I see your add has been removed.

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Yes we do which one were you interested in?

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:38:49 -0500

I am looking for one that is of breeding age or close to it. Which ones do
you have available?

Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


I HAVE ONE THAT IS POSSIBLY GRAVID FOR $300
ONE THAT'S GRAVID FOR $400
AND ONE REALLY BIG FEMALE READY TO LAY EGGS $550 HAVE TO SHIP HER BY WED OR
CANNOT SELL HER SHE IS SO CLOSE TO LAYING EGGS
SHIPPINGS USPS OVERNITE$25
DHL EXPRESS I NEED YOUR ZIP CODE

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:13:08 -0500

I have talked it over with my husband, and might be able to convince him to
buy all three. What would by your best price for all three be? Are these
the same ones you had listed on the forum?

Thanks
Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Jenea
Where are you located?
Best price would be $1100.00 shipped
We also have a small female c.b. it would be $1250 for the 4 snakes
Thanks

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:47:55 -0500

I am in the Florida Panhandle, 32533 zip code. Do you offer a live arrival
guarantee? I could paypal you today, if you could guarantee arrival
Thursday or Friday. Next week I will not be able to receive shipments.

Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


I will ship thursday for Friday were you going to take all 4?
pay pal account is wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:05:14 -0500

No, just the 3 adults for $1100. I will let you know when I send the
payment this afternoon. You never responded to the live arrival guarantee,
do you offer it?

Thanks
Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


I'm sorry - thought i covered everything - yes live arrival - if you pay
today i will be shipping UPS OVERNITE so I will need your street address for
that

Dear Jenea Wood,


Your payment for $1,100.00 USD to wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com has been sent.





-----------------------------------
Payment Details
-----------------------------------


Amount: $1,100.00 USD

Transaction ID: 5HK80108WJ733045E

Subject: 3 Southern Adult Females

Note:
Please let me know when you ship.
 
Old 07-14-2006, 09:48 PM   #4
FloridaHogs
From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:40:20 -0500

They arrived safe and sound. Quick question, what are they feeding on, and
have any of them had a prelay shed yet? Thanks.

Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


I am so glad they are there - enjoy them
No prelay shed has not happened I anticipate most likely this weekend
the closer they are getting to laying they have been eating the frogs ( I
guess they taste better right now)

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:41:08 -0500

Hi,

I am not trying to be rude or ugly, but I do have some questions considering
the price I paid. Are you sure the 2 females you sent are gravid?? One
appears to have just dropped eggs, (slight palpitations produce no feelings
of lumps) and her lower body appears deflated. Just like my Tricolor female
after she has laid. The third "female" is indeed a male. How did you sex
them? I hope some else didn't tell you wrong. Also, what kinds of frogs
did you feed them, as they have shown zero interest in tree frogs, toad
scented mice, or toads (though the toad was a little big). Any help or
information would be appreciated.

Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Jenea
Pls call me at home tonite 727-860-4599
thanks



At this point, I was unable to call, but did continue with Email.

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:25:44 -0500

I will not be able to call you until Friday, as I am leaving in a few hours
and will not return until around 11 Friday morning. I will be honest and
tell you that I would never have paid that amount of money if the animals
had been represented correctly. $200 to $250 for the male, and $250 to $300
for each female (depending on how they eat) would have been fair, but not
the price you charged. So far all three have shown zero interest in
eating. Out of the 9 snakes I received last week, yours are the only ones
refusing food. I am not trying to be ugly, but am wondering if there might
be some remedy to this situation. I would like to give these guys a chance,
but really feel that the price charged and how they were represented was
incorrect. Please let me know if you have any possible solutions in mind.

Thankyou
Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


how do you have them set up - i had them on peat moss/dirt mixture with a
water dish
i had 4 people check them for sexing and we'll have to figure something out
and the large one most likely won't eat until she lays
do you have narrow mouth toads or spadefoots do you need me to send you
some?


From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:58:17 -0500

I have them on aspen with a water dish and a humid hide. They do stay in
the hide quite a bit. I have tried Southern Toads, Greenhouse Frogs,
Green Tree Frogs, Squirrel Tree Frogs, and Green Anoles with zero results.
Right now I am very concerned about their lack of desire to feed. Neither
female has gone into shed, nor has the male. They appear calm and not
agitated at all. I would like your thoughts on the fact that I received 2
females and 1 male, vs. the 3 females I thought I was getting. Positive it
is a male, since he has already locked up with one of the girls.

Thanks
Jenea


----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Jenea
1st - get them off of the aspen - they will die
we have our on 2 parts topsoil to 1 part peatmoss
and put frogs in then
they will not eat the frogs with the aspen
if they are in bigger containers you can use a heavy water dish if it is
smaller container soak every 2-3 days and don't have a water dish with them
they will not do good when they are too humid
the soil mixture is appox 1 inch deep so they can 'hunt" the frogs
the 1st two females were already slowing down in their eating
i honestly do not know what happened with the 3rd one - hognoses can be a
pain because the males will tighten up sometimes - i sexed them and also had
them individually sexed by 3 other reptile breeders
With the male - she was marked only $50 more than my males
you can either send him back and I will send you a female or I can send you
the $50


----- Original Message -----
From: Jenea Wood
To: John Peragine
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


"With the male - she was marked only $50 more than my males
you can either send him back and I will send you a female or I can send you
the $50"

I would prefer the $50. You can paypal it to Sball4God@cox.net. As to the aspen, I do not feed on aspen, but feed in containers. Of the 10 other hognoses I have, this set up has been perfectly adequate. I have talked to other Southern breeders, and they use the same set up, or newspaper, instead of aspen. The big female has still not shed, and I am doubtful that she is indeed gravid. When I palpitate her, I feel no eggs, nor any "lumps" for that matter. May I ask why you think she is about to lay at any time? Just curious at how you made the determination that she was gravid. Not trying to be difficult, but trying to figure out all of the specifics of these three.

Thanks
Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: Jenea Wood
To: John Peragine
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Just wondered if you got my last email? Quick question about the locality of the 3 you sent me. Just wondered if you knew, so I could put it in my records.

Thanks
Jenea

----- Original Message -----
From: Jenea Wood
To: John Peragine
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Just wondered if you were going to refund the $50. haven't heard from you and was getting a little concerned.

Thanks
Jenea


----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Sorry my power was out from the storm will send you money this weekend thru
pay pal

From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:57:40 -0500

Hmmm......just wondering if you are avoiding me now? The $50 still hasn't
shown up in my account. Really trying to be nice about everything and come
to a peaceable solution to the fact I received a male instead of a female,
but hard to do if you will not contact me.

Jenea


----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Jenea
Answering you from work - my home crt crashed should be back up today I will
email you again tonite


From: "Jenea Wood" <Sball4God@cox.net>
To: "John Peragine" <wildandwackyreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:22:20 -0500

Is your computer back up??

----- Original Message -----
From: John Peragine
To: Sball4God@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Computer finally back up!!!! Will definately be sending this weekend - lost
a few sales because of down time. So Sorry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jenea Wood
To: John Peragine
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: SOUTHERN HOGNOSE SNAKES FOR SALE!


Wondered about that refund? Haven't seen it yet. Hope your computer is not broke again.

Jenea

Well, still no refund. Also, neither female was gravid. Both have shed, and no eggs. Also the smaller female is blind!! Did you know that? By my calculations, and your own pricing, I should have only paid $300 for each female and $250 for the male. Throw in $50 for shipping and that equals $900. Not the $1100 I paid. And, that was IF the snakes where in good health. I have tried to be as nice as possible, but now I am wondering just what kind of business you are running? If I have no response, I do plan on reporting you on the BOI, as well as attending the Florida shows. I really do not want to have to do any of this, but you are leaving me no choice. Please respond, so that this can be settled in a reasonable matter.

Jenea


Guess what, just got back from the vet, and the little male you sent me just died from a virus!! You know the star gazing one. He apparently had it for a while, and since he has been secluded here, that means he was shipped with it!! I guess you are choosing not to respond to me now. I will still wait until Friday to post on the BOI to give you a chance.

Jenea



And now I am posting here. I have also been in contact with a gentleman that raises Southerns and actually lives in the same town as this guy. His words were that the guys place is a dump. How could I send these poor animals back to someone who obviously knows nothing about them? They deserve better. Right now I am feeding them via a 1 cc of baby food with a syringe everyday just to keep them going, hoping a feeding response will kick in at some point. I did finally have one show interest and eat, but he is the one that died.
 
Old 07-14-2006, 10:58 PM   #5
ms_terese
Wow, what a lousy deal.

Considering that you received 2 females that weren't gravid and 1 male that was supposed to be a female, I believe you can institute a complaint with PayPal...as long as too much time hasn't elapsed. I notice that the time frame seems to indicate that the communication dropped off right about 30 days after you sent payment

Is the person in the same town with the seller offering any suggestions on how to deal with this? Maybe he can mediate for you?
 
Old 07-14-2006, 11:56 PM   #6
FloridaHogs
Well, I opened a dispute with Paypal. Good for me and bad for him, but today was the last day I could do it. They give you 45 days vs the 30 you would expect. I am only asking for the difference between what I thought I was getting, and what I got. I am not even bring the diseased or blind animals into it. And, figured I will just take a loss on the one that died. Now I just hope that being shipped in the same container did not infect the two females. The little blind girl, Maya, is the sweetest little snake, and I want to give her every chance possible. This is not believed to be a birth defect, but the result of some type of head tramua. I guess when I get taken, I get taken good........
 
Old 07-15-2006, 05:28 AM   #7
Mike Greathouse
Jenea,
I would suggest that you continue to pursue this directly through Paypal. Historically speaking, Mr John appears to have some difficulty following through with refunds.

Here is an interesting read: JOHN CONSTANTINU-THE WORST of the worst


Good luck with your situation.
At the very least, I'm sure that the remaining two hognose are grateful to be in your care.
 
Old 07-15-2006, 02:10 PM   #8
FloridaHogs
How ironic that he is now going by different names!! What a total scammer!!! I will follow through with paypal for sure!! I did look for him here, but did not know he went by Mister Johns Farm then.......
 
Old 07-15-2006, 02:36 PM   #9
herpetological
John was at the recent F.I.R.E. show in Orlando and had several tables. I don't have any recent contact information on him but, you may be able to get some info from the show staff?
 
Old 07-15-2006, 03:05 PM   #10
FloridaHogs
I have contact info, he just does not want to respond to anything. I am hoping notification from paypal will get his attention. If he does not respond to the dispute, I will take it to the next level and make it a claim. At that point paypal will get directly involved, and mediate. I hate that it came to this, but I just want to be treated fairly.
 

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