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Old 09-12-2017, 11:15 AM   #31
Snake-Queen
Broken down

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I may have missed it, but was this animal sold to you as a "proven breeder"?

Side rant independent of the this thread:
Sometimes it is hard for us to remember that these are individual animals with distinct personalities & preferences, they are not automated machines.

Meaning, just because we want them to breed with a specific girl/boy, doesn't mean they will.


Similar to humans, there are simply some that may have very little to no reproductive sex drive.

Low testosterone


It happens. Selling off animals that won't "produce" is fairly common. Not saying that is the case here. Unless it is 100% a pet, animals cost money to maintain and that cost can be justified by some because they hope to recoup those losses by producing offspring.

Meaning, you bought the animal as an investment, but if it will not breed, you cannot sell babies to recoup the cost of the original dragon plus upkeep.

No offspring, no money...animal gets sold.
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:17 AM   #32
Redsky29
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"Never been bred"
What does this mean to you?
Did you ask him elsewhere if he was a proven breeder.
If the dragon has "never been bred", then the seller admits he doesn't actually know if the male is great, good or bad at breeding...he simply doesn't know. Those waters have never been tested.

By you purchasing a unproven animal, you also don't know. You took a gamble by not purchasing a "proven breeder", correct?
Had he not stated he would make a great breeder there would be no dispute at all..... go see the message I posted directly from him..... In the end yes it is on me for purchasing an untested male and relying on something someone stated...
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:19 AM   #33
Redsky29
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Yes.

If I could get pictures to attach, (not working for me today) I'd show you.
Hopefully these will work

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:19 AM   #34
Snake-Queen
Attached are some bearded dragon sexing guides.
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:20 AM   #35
Snake-Queen
Congratulations, you have a female bearded dragon.
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:21 AM   #36
Redsky29
with light it looks like the first pic
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:22 AM   #37
Redsky29
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Congratulations, you have a female bearded dragon.
lol had I known that I would have taken that in stride and not had a whole fit.... thanks sigh
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:27 AM   #38
Snake-Queen
You're welcome.

That is why it wasn't interested in breeding.
You received a nice female for $175. Now find a male.
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:33 AM   #39
Snake-Queen
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with light it looks like the first pic
The first pic, top or bottom?
 
Old 09-12-2017, 11:43 AM   #40
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He has never been bred...but he would be a perfect breeder for yellow/orange lines.
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Had he not stated he would make a great breeder there would be no dispute at all
Hopefully this all can be a learning experience for you and others reading.
Putting aside the male vs. female issue (thanks Melissa), twice the seller clearly states "he has never been bred". Any other statement past that regarding future breeding gusto by the animal is 100% speculation.

As buyers it becomes our job to understand these statements. "he would be a perfect breeder" alone is an improvable statement. It becomes the sellers job to avoid such insinuations, BUT it also falls on the excited buyer to realize what "never been bred" actually means.

I take the sellers statement of "would be a perfect breeder for yellow/orange lines" to be more of a generalization of genetic pairing possibilities vs. any kind of guaranteed claim on behalf of the dragon's sex performance (had it been a male).

As for the seller not responding, that is a different matter that needs addressing if this is in fact a female.
 

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