Beware of Jerry Kruse

Originally Posted by rattler

You know that I can't post names here because of the TOS. Am I correct moderator?

What I do know is that mr. kruse is a poacher and a smuggler, a liar and a theif, a braggart and a bully, a beggar and a coward.

I also know that someone like you, rattler, knows enough about how the BOI works that unless you're totally full of crap, you've got that list of names saved in a document file and we'll see it momentarily, since you've been so quick in your responses.

I mean, unless, you're lying. You're not lying, are you? I think mr. kruse has done enough of that for everyone on this thread.

So, that list, I'd like to see it, if you please.

Unless, like I said, you lied about having it.

Originally Posted by rattler

Don't start throwing smugglers names around because I have some of those for you too. These are people you're defending.

Quite a shallow and irrelavant statement since you chose not to end this sentence with the names you are referring to. Why hold back if you know you are right? This is a board that is receptive to facts that weigh heavily on a persons ability to mantain a good guy/bad guy status. Why hold back? No BS?, no problem. Name those people, or remain on the "heresay" list.

Originally Posted by Wilomn

Seriously? You've defending mr. kruse? The man who has poached, smuggled, lied, threatened, coerced, begged, LIED and LIED and LIED in this thread and you're defending him?

I've got half a mind to find out who he does work for and let them know what kind a creep they have in their employ.

Friendship is all fine and good, but if someone's a lying sack of poo, proven over and over by their very own self, how far does friendship go? mr. kruse has no honour and quite deserves the disdain and disgust he has brought upon himself by himself. No one force mr. kruse to be such a terrible person, he did that all on his own.

You seriously having me wondering about you as well rattler.

seems the ole "rattler" is rattled about his friend... when will they learn
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This thread has gone completely off kilter and needs to get back to Jerry and Stu. In that regard, it’s done. Stu has his money and Jerry’s reputation is quite damaged. Even as one of those who defended him I was taken aback at the revelation of his posting for Mjay which was really really poor judgment.

That said there is a need for some perspective here. Those that routinely send out animals that are half dead or other than those they advertised or take your money and are never heard from gain and change their names so they can keep pulling the same scams again and again are the bad guys. Jerry is just overly passionate which is a poor receipt for keeping coms on the QT when a sale goes south. I keep hearing myself doing my best Joe Friday, “Just the facts Jerry” no drama no theatrics and you’ll get through this just fine.

I trust that Jerry will learn from this thread and realize that it’s time to grow past the aspect of this hobby that is driven by a youthful ego; and that how we treat people is orders of magnitude more important than being seen as the latest and greatest self appointed Zonata, alterna or whatever God. One simply cannot tend to their ego without sometime running afoul of other egos or losing sight of what’s most important, in this case deteriorating coms with Stu. What the big players in this thread think of one another is pretty much irrelevant and that goes both ways.

In my journey though life I’ve learned that it often takes having the wind knocked out of our sails to cause us to reflect on what is and isn’t important. It’s these types of events that drive change and lead to increased maturity and dare I say it, wisdom. That doesn’t make us bad people, it just makes us human. The true measure of Jerry’s character should be made, not in the light of a mistake but in how he handles himself moving forward.

Originally Posted by TONY D

This thread has gone completely off kilter and needs to get back to Jerry and Stu. In that regard, it’s done. Stu has his money and Jerry’s reputation is quite damaged. Even as one of those who defended him I was taken aback at the revelation of his posting for Mjay which was really really poor judgment.

That said there is a need for some perspective here. Those that routinely send out animals that are half dead or other than those they advertised or take your money and are never heard from gain and change their names so they can keep pulling the same scams again and again are the bad guys. Jerry is just overly passionate which is a poor receipt for keeping coms on the QT when a sale goes south. I keep hearing myself doing my best Joe Friday, “Just the facts Jerry” no drama no theatrics and you’ll get through this just fine.

I trust that Jerry will learn from this thread and realize that it’s time to grow past the aspect of this hobby that is driven by a youthful ego; and that how we treat people is orders of magnitude more important than being seen as the latest and greatest self appointed Zonata, alterna or whatever God. One simply cannot tend to their ego without sometime running afoul of other egos or losing sight of what’s most important, in this case deteriorating coms with Stu. What the big players in this thread think of one another is pretty much irrelevant and that goes both ways.

In my journey though life I’ve learned that it often takes having the wind knocked out of our sails to cause us to reflect on what is and isn’t important. It’s these types of events that drive change and lead to increased maturity and dare I say it, wisdom. That doesn’t make us bad people, it just makes us human. The true measure of Jerry’s character should be made, not in the light of a mistake but in how he handles himself moving forward.

Very well said Tony, you're right on point. A lot has been learned about what to expect when working with zonata. The thread was started for a reason and has served that point. I still plan on getting some zonata and pyros, ZD seems to just be something that every zonata breeder has the potential to have.

I don't know Jerry and have never met him, only from online. I like to form my opinions about people by talking to them and seeing who they are, not from what other people have experienced and especially not from online. I use others experiences to compare to what I experience, then make up my own mind.

Everyone makes mistakes but not everyone learns from them, I hope he does. Would I buy from him, probably not but that's because I know someone that works with zonata I know a lot better, not because of this thread. Like you said, there are way worse people in this business, the fact that Stu got his refund says a lot about Jerry, in my eyes. There are people that take the money and run everyday, truly bad people. I'm not saying that people haven't had BAD experiences with Jerry, just that Jerry being a "BAD GUY" is something that only exist on this "BOI" and doesn't mean he can't learn and move on.

Originally Posted by Gerards

I'm not saying that people haven't had BAD experiences with Jerry, just that Jerry being a "BAD GUY" is something that only exist on this "BOI" and doesn't mean he can't learn and move on.

Bullsnot and poppycock.

mr. kruse is the living embodiment of what a Bad Guy is. Even being associated with him has tainted a number of people, such as yourself, with an aroma that is not pleasant at all.

He doesn't have to remain a bad guy, but he certainly is one right now. No matter what he heats up the airwaves telling you and steve and tony, there is no doubt that right now he most certainly is a bad guy.

This wasn't a momentary lapse of common sense with him. This wasn't a one time aberration of his norm. This wasn't him trying something new. What this is, this thread, is a representation of the man himself, thoroughly rotten right to the core.

It's all right here in this thread, both in the words of mr. kruse himself, the lies and attempts at truth, and in the words of several well respected well known herpers who, unlike mr. kruse, do NOT have questionable characters. They are absolutely trustworthy as well as honest. For you to keep harping on this give the guy a chance crap, I have to think you either live in a land of marshmallow streets and lollipop street signs, or you have almost no comprehension of the written word. I mean the guy has shot himself in the foot so many times he's got nothing from the knees down.

Originally Posted by Wilomn

Bullsnot and poppycock.

mr. kruse is the living embodiment of what a Bad Guy is. Even being associated with him has tainted a number of people, such as yourself, with an aroma that is not pleasant at all.

He doesn't have to remain a bad guy, but he certainly is one right now. No matter what he heats up the airwaves telling you and steve and tony, there is no doubt that right now he most certainly is a bad guy.

This wasn't a momentary lapse of common sense with him. This wasn't a one time aberration of his norm. This wasn't him trying something new. What this is, this thread, is a representation of the man himself, thoroughly rotten right to the core.

It's all right here in this thread, both in the words of mr. kruse himself, the lies and attempts at truth, and in the words of several well respected well known herpers who, unlike mr. kruse, do NOT have questionable characters. They are absolutely trustworthy as well as honest. For you to keep harping on this give the guy a chance crap, I have to think you either live in a land of marshmallow streets and lollipop street signs, or you have almost no comprehension of the written word. I mean the guy has shot himself in the foot so many times he's got nothing from the knees down.

Oh boy, here comes the Jerry lovers again.

I think what irks me more than Jerry trying to initially screw Stu over on this deal is that here we have Jerry Kruse, a self anointed expert in zonatas. He goes around knocking other people zonatas as not being pure. He boasts how pristine his collection is never having zonata disease etc....

With the help of this BOI thread we now learnt that he has repeatedly lied about the purity of his zonatas and knowingly sold Martir/Juarez mixes amongst other locality crosses as pure locality. He displays zonatas that aren't his and tries to buy other people's hatchlings to resell. And on top of everything he makes people forge up high priced receipts so he can try to maximize his profits on future sales.

Do I think there are scummier dealers out there? Prolly... But to portray yourself as a "holier than thou" zonata breeder while doing all these underhanded things is just too much hypocrisy for me to bear. If you're scum, don't pretend to be an angel.

Originally Posted by Wilomn

Bullsnot and poppycock.

mr. kruse is the living embodiment of what a Bad Guy is. Even being associated with him has tainted a number of people, such as yourself, with an aroma that is not pleasant at all.

He doesn't have to remain a bad guy, but he certainly is one right now. No matter what he heats up the airwaves telling you and steve and tony, there is no doubt that right now he most certainly is a bad guy.

This wasn't a momentary lapse of common sense with him. This wasn't a one time aberration of his norm. This wasn't him trying something new. What this is, this thread, is a representation of the man himself, thoroughly rotten right to the core.

It's all right here in this thread, both in the words of mr. kruse himself, the lies and attempts at truth, and in the words of several well respected well known herpers who, unlike mr. kruse, do NOT have questionable characters. They are absolutely trustworthy as well as honest. For you to keep harping on this give the guy a chance crap, I have to think you either live in a land of marshmallow streets and lollipop street signs, or you have almost no comprehension of the written word. I mean the guy has shot himself in the foot so many times he's got nothing from the knees down.

I am not associated with him or talked with him at all. There is a lot of stuff in this thread about a lot of people, yourself included. I don't hate you because you sound like a idiot on here, I haven't met you to make that assumption. I give everyone a chance, marshmallows and lollipops, what the hell does that mean? You have no clue who I am or what I do, just opinions on a screen. You don't know what I know or work with. I thought this place is for voicing how you feel about a subject, all I said was what I think. You seem to want to smear Jerry's name and ruin him for some personal reason, why do you need to attack my opinions? You and Tommy boy keep repeating the same thing over and over but I was talking about the future. I never said he wasn't anything before, I said I hope he learns from his mistakes. I laugh when you and Tommy say that saying anything but bad makes me look bad, how is that? I'm friends with some of the people that talked bad and cannot stand Jerry, how does my thoughts on this subject make my aroma undesirable? If you had a bad experience with him that fine, stick to that and stop trying to make me smell good.

Originally Posted by Gerards

I don't know Jerry and have never met him, only from online. I like to form my opinions about people by talking to them and seeing who they are, not from what other people have experienced and especially not from online. I use others experiences to compare to what I experience, then make up my own mind.

nice hypocracy there gerard because you sure have formed an opinion about me, yet we have never met and yet you feel the need to call me names, seems hypocracy runs rampant among jerry and his supporters and IT speaks VOLUMES so please carry on.
whats really funny is that yes stu got his refund YET by whats transpired here on this public forum for ALL to see its fairly OBVIOUS for anyone with a brain to see who the "bad guy" is and also who the "bad guy" supporters are, and that all they(jerrys supporters) are really doing is digging a deeper and deeper and deeper hole that will be all the harder to undo, so just keep digging gerard im sure jerry loves you for it
remember gerard the BOI is a mirror.
be careful.