Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Originally Posted by DavidBeard

Unless there is a Sasquatch look-a-like convention going on nextdoor to the reptile show, spotting her shouldn't be difficult.

You so did NOT go there!

Originally Posted by KelliH

Ok, so it looks like Ashley will be attending the NARBC Show on Saturday, as a spectator NOT a vendor. What exactly do you think should be done? Should we march back and forth outside the convention center chanting and holding signs? Maybe we should forum a human chain at the door to the show when we see Ashley coming so that she cannot get in? Short of doing that (and most likely being arrested for it), I cannot see how anyone, Texas herper or not, can keep anyone else from attending a reptile show.

Agreed.

Look, this is a very real concern, and a few people (mostly one) put a lot of effort into presenting an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence in this thread. So much so that most reasonable people would agree there is a concern, it is real, and it should be addressed.

That having been said there really is not much else you can do short of filing law suits, if you feel you have been injured by her actions. Some people have that case.

However, this thread has taken many bad turns, it now reads more like a personal vendetta against Ashley and anyone who associates with her. A representative sampling of posts could produce threats, insults, profanity, an uncomfirmed PM from her mother that has very little to do with reptiles and nothing at all to do with IBD, several attempts at psychological profiling, attacks on the entire state she happens to live in.

Perhaps that is why some people from other forums have come here, declared this as so much "drama", and not bothered to act on the information with regards to their own forums. I know that if I stumbled across this thread now that is a good possibility for me as well. That I have kept up from the beginning grants me a different perspective.

I am posting this now in hopes that the people who think they are helping Courtney by keeping this topical, and helping the hobby by continuing to expose Ashley will stop and think about how their posts might come over to someone who has not been here from post 1.

Seriously more harm than good will come from those types of posts. Gathering posts made by Ashley and comparing them to show her web of lies...good. Calling out her parenting skills...not helpful.

Advising show promoters of her activities to keep her off the vendor list...good.

Posting pictures of her on milk cartons and doing dna testing on all guests...not helpful.

It is too bad that moderators can not go back and delete any posts that have no business here, that actually detract from the credibility of this thread. Otherwise I think the overall impact will be very little, and the very tone this thread has taken might actually HELP Ashley make a reappearance into the hobby down the road. She can easily point to the pitchforks and torches and say people went off on her, and if they could not find anything then they just made it up.

Anyway, just think about how your post can be read, what it really says, and what impact it might have as a whole before posting. That is all I really want to say...

Originally Posted by Angel Rojas

Here she is talking with "retic breeder" and co-owner of the retic nation, Gavin Bowe. Maybe this is why some of the members of that forum defended her, maybe they have business together....I donno.....She is not on the vendors list for any of the PA shows or the NARBC, but I have seen people sell other people's animals on their table, and sell and trade animals in the parking lot. But like I said, I don't know if she will be vending or if any of her animals will be at these shows.

LMAO. You really are reaching because you hate the nation dont you Angel? Im sorry you and your "brother" were banned over there and now you feel the need to spread your viral trash every where. Gavin has 1500 friends on Facebook and because Ashley is going to be at the same show you say the things you say? People go to reptile shows Angel. Just because Gavin who sells snakes at shows will be at the sameone doesnt mean anything you posted. Who in their right mind would get what you said from Ashley saying she will be at the same show? Stop reaching Angel. Nobody stuck up for Ashley in that thread. Since your banned you wouldnt know this. They just dont like your drama you thrive for in your life.

Dragging Gavins name into this is wrong and childish. This thread isnt about him. Just because a simple hey I will be at that show facebook thread was posted doesnt mean half the crap you all are saying.

Keep this to what it is and stop speculation which I believe is against forum rules. Its about proof and only proof.

Except it very well could be a valid concern that she'll show up there because she can buy/sell in the parking lot at these shows. Just her mere presence could contaminate an area from mites or viral particles...

We simply do not know enough about the vertical or horizontal transmission of this condition to rest easy at this point.

I disagree that not much can be done. It is still legal to refuse admittance to undesirables... or are you implying that ANYONE that coughs up the admittance fee is welcome?

I do know that this kind of thinking (apparent lack of concern with quality and more concern with quantity) is why many in our community have stopped attending/purchasing at shows. At least, it's one of MY reasons.

Originally Posted by Drew Zaun

Agreed.

Look, this is a very real concern, and a few people (mostly one) put a lot of effort into presenting an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence in this thread. So much so that most reasonable people would agree there is a concern, it is real, and it should be addressed.

That having been said there really is not much else you can do short of filing law suits, if you feel you have been injured by her actions. Some people have that case.

However, this thread has taken many bad turns, it now reads more like a personal vendetta against Ashley and anyone who associates with her. A representative sampling of posts could produce threats, insults, profanity, an uncomfirmed PM from her mother that has very little to do with reptiles and nothing at all to do with IBD, several attempts at psychological profiling, attacks on the entire state she happens to live in.

Perhaps that is why some people from other forums have come here, declared this as so much "drama", and not bothered to act on the information with regards to their own forums. I know that if I stumbled across this thread now that is a good possibility for me as well. That I have kept up from the beginning grants me a different perspective.

I am posting this now in hopes that the people who think they are helping Courtney by keeping this topical, and helping the hobby by continuing to expose Ashley will stop and think about how their posts might come over to someone who has not been here from post 1.

Seriously more harm than good will come from those types of posts. Gathering posts made by Ashley and comparing them to show her web of lies...good. Calling out her parenting skills...not helpful.

Advising show promoters of her activities to keep her off the vendor list...good.

Posting pictures of her on milk cartons and doing dna testing on all guests...not helpful.

It is too bad that moderators can not go back and delete any posts that have no business here, that actually detract from the credibility of this thread. Otherwise I think the overall impact will be very little, and the very tone this thread has taken might actually HELP Ashley make a reappearance into the hobby down the road. She can easily point to the pitchforks and torches and say people went off on her, and if they could not find anything then they just made it up.

Anyway, just think about how your post can be read, what it really says, and what impact it might have as a whole before posting. That is all I really want to say...

okay her being at a show is on her. You missed my point that Angel is trying to make it sound like her and Gavin are business partners from a facebook thread. Agel stop bringing innocent peoples name into this because you are an infant who had sand kicked in his face.

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

I disagree that not much can be done. It is still legal to refuse admittance to undesirables... or are you implying that ANYONE that coughs up the admittance fee is welcome?

I do know that this kind of thinking (apparent lack of concern with quality and more concern with quantity) is why many in our community have stopped attending/purchasing at shows. At least, it's one of MY reasons.

Sure it is legal, but is it practical? How many people are going to attend the NARBC on Saturday? How many women? Is is realistic to think that some people working admissions would be able to cross check every woman that roughly fits Ashley's description with a photo?

I know for a solid gold fact that casinos employ tens of thousands of dollars in gear, computers and software to check the faces of everyone who walks through the door and compares it to file photos, using things are are impossible to alter without surgery like space between eyes and noses etc, and undesirables still get in every day. To ask untrained amateurs to stop one person is, I think, not going to be effective.

Fliers with info and picture could be handed out to the vendors, and they can make up their own minds to be cautious and on the look out, or not. That would probably be the most effective route, and legal as far as I know. Provided the wording was right, and not directly accusing with no hard proof.

Originally Posted by Drew Zaun

Sure it is legal, but is it practical? How many people are going to attend the NARBC on Saturday? How many women? Is is realistic to think that some people working admissions would be able to cross check every woman that roughly fits Ashley's description with a photo?

I know for a solid gold fact that casinos employ tens of thousands of dollars in gear, computers and software to check the faces of everyone who walks through the door and compares it to file photos, using things are are impossible to alter without surgery like space between eyes and noses etc, and undesirables still get in every day. To ask untrained amateurs to stop one person is, I think, not going to be effective.

Personally, I am not asking for all that, I am asking for a show of social responsibility and an attempt.
No cross-checking is needed, in the time that the admittance workers are taking money and stamping the backs of hands, a drivers license can be shown.