Max wrote:
>I'm interested that you found links to litters I was selling - I've
never listed any litters for sale ever!
It's not illegal to breed & sell snakes, but it is illegal to threaten
people - You can ask your lawyer about that.
There is certainly nothing illegal about telling someone that you will sue them. And you did have a post on another page where you were talking about a litter of snakes you have.
>Yep! And both Laurel & I talked to you before you moved. You told me
that you didn't have any money at the time. You told her some other
stuff, but I'll let her answer that as I didn't hear those
conversations.
I told her I was not going to do a refund beause of the time frame and the fact that the mare was mismanaged.
>You also did not leave us a forwarding address or
contact information
Hello, anyone can send mail to a person's address for a year after they move and stuff is forwarded. Also Katie has my address now and still sends me Christmas cards. And again, my website for Trinity Appaloosa Farm has been on the web since 1996. My husband's mother still lives in Whitewright and has the same last name, so she could even be called.
>She was never on a fescue pasture, & we have never had a mare treated
for fescue poisoning. The mare your stallion bred to reabsorbed the
baby; it did not miscarry, & was in the early part of her pregnancy.
Yes she was. You forget that I met your girlfriend ON a vet call for a mare that had no milk. And north Texas is loaded with Fescue.
>Our other mare, the one you said had "fescue poisoning" with her first
foal, was in foal at the same time as the mare we bred to your
stallion. Our other mare was in the same pasture and had no problems
with her pregnancy or milk production.
Yes, because she was treated with Domperidone which allows fescue mares to bag normally.
>Oh, well. Part of breeding horses. Laurel grew up near a horse
breeding facility, she said they always hobbled the mares to prevent
injury to the stallions. (Is this "poor owner management"?)
No, it's called having an insane mare that tried to tear down someone's barn and not warning people she was crazy. Hobbling is dangerous and can hurt the mare if she panicks.
>According to our
records we breed her to your stallion in August of 1996
Hmm August in 1996 and I left Texas in April in 1999. I was in one place the whole time in Texas and in all this time I was able to avoid you and not refund your money? That makes NO sense at all. In three years you couldn't find a mare to rebreed?
>She was
palpated in foal in September 1996. When we found out that the mare
had reabsorbed the pregnancy in the spring of 1997, we tried to get
her to come into season again. She did not.
Yes Max, because she was on Fescue and it can effect cycling.
>You suggested that we breed to our other mare that had just foaled. We told you that we wanted to wait another year before breeding her. You said no problem.
(We feel that it is healthier for the mare to be rebred every 2 years than every year.)
I said no problem because I knew your mare was on domperidone which can also effect cycling.
> When Laurel found out that she was finally pregnant
in October of 1997, after dealing with fertility problems, she spoke
to you about not wanting to breed her mare because she did not want to
deal with a new foal and a new baby at the same time. (According to
our math, that would make it one year and one month not 2 years.)
Yes, she said she didn't want to rebreed the mare and I told her she could sell the breeding. Our horse breeding contract had nothing to do with extraneous events. It had to do with breeding horses.
>You
informed her that you did not have the money, but that you would give
her another breeding to another mare, or we could wait until we were
ready to breed our other mare who had already foaled twice. Laurel
could not find any of her friends that were interested in breeding to
your stallion.
I informed her I would not refund her money. Finding a mare to rebreed is not the stallion owner's problem.
>Our phone numbers have never changed in the 14+ years we have lived here.
My "girlfriend/wife" has never changed her name in the twenty years I
have known her.
There was no phone listing for Laura Peterson in Trenton Texas when we lived there.
>You, on the other hand, have been going by multiple names - You were
Tracy Hoss while you were in Texas & are Meisenbach in Virginia, but
supposedly were Meisenbach in the past.
I legally changed my name to my husband's in 1997. I didn't change my address though, nor did I alter any other personal information. As I said, mail is forwarded for a year. Katie knew where I was the whole time, she still does.
>We thought that we had a verbal agreement to extend the time period
for "rebreeding". When I make a verbal agreement, I stand by it.
You're now admitting you did not have a contract obligation for a refund. So your initial statement on fauna was a lie. I left three years after the initial breeding. How long is a stallion owner supposed to hold space? I don't know of any farm that would do a three year extension when the fault is the mare owner's.
> When you left the state and changed your name without informing us of your new address, we figured we were SOL.
Give me a break. I hadn't heard from you in years and my forwarding address was at the post office. My stallion's name has been on the internet for 10 years, a single websearch would have produced my new phone number. A call to Katie would have gotten my address.
>Sure there is a statute of limitations; I
understand that, but I can certainly post true facts about somebody's
character - There is no statute of limitations on that!
Like a person that lies about a chain of events, lies about having a contract that guarantees a refund, lies about calling and emailing me. Yep that's an unstanding citizen. Your reply has verified and proven every single one of my points. You didn't make any effort to fulfill your obligation of a mare owner and you're trying to blame poor mismangement on the stallion.
> Besides, I wasn't going to hire a detective over several hundred
dollars, but when I got around to doing a Google search & found you
had moved to Virginia, I tried to contact you.
WHEN YOU GOT AROUND TO IT? Give me a break. I'm so easy to find it's laughable. And you posted that stuff in November after TEN YEARS. That's a pretty slow burn. I had to dig through sx boxes of horse records to find the mare you were referring too.
>Yes, I found your website a year or two ago. I called and left a
message, and e-mailed you with NO response.
Max, you're flat lying. I've had the same email address for ten years. It's server based and never changes no matter if I move or change search. It is based on my website and forwards me mail no matter what local server I use. You have never called me. I have an answering machine as well as voicemail for the farm. And now you're admitting that you found my website two years ago, but suddenly last November you decided to make an accusatory post about me on a snake site. Was is just a slow day and you didn't have anything to do?
> The last time I'd talked
with you on the phone was a worthless conversation that accomplished
nothing.
I haven't spoken to you on the phone. Every phone conversation I had about your mare was with your girlfriend. It was her horse, so you legally had no say in the matter.
>Since you never responded, I decided to post on the internet
so that other people could judge your character.
To be sure. Ten years after you mismanaged a mare, didn't do a rebreed and made no effort to contact me you decide to make a post on a SNAKE forum. Like I'm going to sell a snake to anyone.
Hmm, there is a link on my website to the horse groups, but you didn't join any of them until Teri came trolling for you.
> When she told you this, you seemed to understand
since you had a young child, but you still insisted on a rebreeding,
which we agreed to.
Well there you go, in your own words. I didn't owe you a refund, which is the gist of your post on fauna. So out of your own mouth you've just admitted that your initial post is a lie. I did everything I could to accommadate Laura and time simply ran out. I don't know of any stallion owner that would do two and three extensions for a mare owner.
>We still use Katie, she's a great horse vet & her word could never be
disputed.
You can subpoena all the records you want. I don't think they will
show what you want them to.
Max, I still talk with Katie on the phone, I still get Christmas cards, I still visit her when I come to Texas. IN ten years she has NEVER mentioned you or Laura. She has NEVER said there was any problem with a client.
>Well.Let's see my wife, & I, both talked to you on the phone, while
you were in Texas. I emailed and called you from your website, once I
had tracked you down. I'd call that contact
No you didn't. I have never spoken to you on the phone. You were not the legal owner of the mare so you really had so say in the matter. I only saw you twice. You haven't called, which would certainly show up on a caller ID, nor have you emailed me. I get emails from people every day, all day and nothing from you has ever shown up. Come on Max, I get emails from people inquiring about horses from all over the world, yet some how I miss one email from you in Trenton Texas. Doesn't compute.
>I guess we should have had our attorney contact you in writing,
instead of trying to work it out in person
I'm sure he could have figured out how to use the phone or email.
>Rebreeding one of our horses would be pointless at this time - I
really don't think our geldings would appreciate being artificially
inseminated, & we don't have any plans for acquiring any mares.
>If you had informed us of your new location, or had responded to our
phone message or e-mail a year or two ago, we would not have felt the
need to resort to posting.
Let me get this straight. You admit a few paragraphs back that YOU had no right to a refund and that the only obligation I owed you was a rebreed. YOU then have no horses that can be bred, and that is somehow my fault. You don't say anything to me, according to you, for EIGHT years, and then two years later you post on a snake forum about not getting a rebreed for when you only own geldings.
You simply aren't making any sense at all.
>It's not slander, when it is the truth.
No dear, by your own hand what you posted on fauna was a lie. You admit here that you were owed a REBREED. Not a REFUND. You admit that you never even tried to find me for EIGHT YEARS. Your whole post was nothing but a tantrum because you didn't get a rebreed within an extended time frame. Not my fault, not my problem.
You went on an open forum and questioned my business ethics, and then come in here and post from your own hand that what you originally stated was a lie. So who's got the ethics problem max? And why were you posting porn site links on a family forum? Why would you even offer it up so that some kid could click on it?
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...7115#post87115
Talk about twisted! I hope no children clicked that link!
So max, now that you've proven me right and admitted that I didn't owe you a refund what's next?
By the way, you might want to check the Texas A and M fescue map, it shows the entire area where we lived as being fescue infected. I had it in my pastures which is why I always dry lotted mares their last tri-mester. The area you are in is toxic with it. So trying to pretend you didn't have a fescue pasture is useless.
>You on, the other hand, are making some outrageous claims about us.
I think you should consult your lawyer before you post anything else &
dig yourself in deeper.
Oh, my lawyer is going to love getting your post where you admit I owed you a rebreed and not a refund. And all the dates that correspond with exactly what I said in the first place. And you admitting that you didn't even try to find me for eight years, and then you found my website, but didn't post your tirade for two more years.
Yep, my lawyer is going to love you posting that crap on fauna.
Tracy Meisenbach
www.trinityapp.com
http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp
http://thehorsediary.blogspot.com/
Updated 2-08-2007
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