On 6/7/05 I received a group of 9 corn snakes [0.2 Snow, 1.1 Lavender, 1.0 Opal, 1.0 Amel Het Lavender, 0.1 Blood Red, 1.0 Het Blood Red, 0.1 Butter Motley. $600 for the group shipped]. One was DOA (Snow) and another (Butter Motley) laid eggs in route. The packing of the box consisted of 4 bags (2 adults per bag with the exception of one bag with 3 in it) on the bottom and some newspaper (8 balled up pieces of large ad sized, not even enough to fill the box half way). The one that laid the eggs was retaining what looks like two eggs. The seller was going to ship on Monday for Tuesday arrival but didn't ship until Tuesday (which he did inform me of). I was told they would arrive by 10:30 am. We specifically spoke of this on the phone because I am the first stop on the route for the morning (FedEx Express) but the last stop for the Standard overnight route.
When I checked the tracking number the morning or delivery I saw that the package was shipped Standard, I e-mailed the seller and told him this. No response.
I e-mailed the seller after I received the box with the DOA. I was refunded a portion of money ($40.00). The seller wasn't apologetic but stated that she was the oldest of the bunch. He also stated that the return on my investment came sooner with the one laying in route. The eggs are in the incubator but I will be surprised if any hatch since they were already dehydrating/dented and God knows how bounced around and turned.I think he may have had them packed up the day before because they were already well on their way to being raisins by the time I opened the bag. Granted it was hot that day and they were on the truck all day, but when putting the snakes in tubs they all drank like there was no tomorrow.
I took the Butter Motley to my vet to have the eggs removed since they were mid-body still.
Below are the e-mails and some pictures:
From : A Select Few Reptiles <A_Select_Few_Reptiles@hotmail.com>
Sent : Monday, May 30, 2005 9:06 PM
To : "Dave G" <davecg@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Message about
: Adult Corn Group for Sale
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I just wanted to let you know that I received the money. Can you please send me an e-mail with your shipping info and contact info. I'll need a name, address and phone. Also let me know when you would be able to receive the package. I've got a few packages going out Monday the 6th and could send yours out then as well. So let me know if you will be around on Tuesday the 7th to receive the package.
Thank you
Paul Jarosh
A Select Few Reptiles
From : A Select Few Reptiles <A_Select_Few_Reptiles@hotmail.com>
Sent : Tuesday, June 7, 2005 5:24 AM
To : <davecg@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Corn group
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Dave they are all packed up and will go out today. I packed them in the group I was housing them in. I also noticed that a few of the females were looking big, particularly the alb het lav and the butter motley. The blood red actually dropped her eggs the other day so she is in shed and a little thin. So you should make you money back rather quickly with the gravid butter motley (x opal male) and the gravid alb het lav (x lav male). Let me know when you receive the package and that all is well.
Thank you
Paul Jarosh
A Select Few Reptiles
My e-mail to him on 6/8/05
Paul,
Checking the tracking just now it looks like you sent them Standard Overnight instead of Express, which means they'll be on the truck all day and not get here until 3:00 since I'm the last stop on the Standard Overnight route.
Dave
My e-mail to him on 6/8/05
Paul
One of the snows is DOA. I'll get you a pic shortly. The Butter Motley laid eggs in route.
Dave
From : A Select Few Reptiles <A_Select_Few_Reptiles@hotmail.com>
Sent : Wednesday, June 8, 2005 4:10 PM
To : "Dave G" <davecg@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Corn group
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Well she was the oldest one of the bunch. I had her for 4 years and then the guy before me wasn't sure. It was his kids pet that went away to college and didn't want it any more. The others I received as hatchlings over the past 6 years. I'm glad to hear that all the others are ok and I guess the return on investment was a little sooner than later with the BM. The butter motley was in with the opal after coming out of brumination. I'll send you out $40 through paypal to cover the lost snake. Any other questions or concerns feel free to drop me a line.
Thank you
Paul Jarosh
A Select Few Reptiles
My e-mail to him on 6/9/05
Paul,
I don't know how you came up with the figure of $40 for the DOA snow but whatever. The Butter Motley female still has a couple eggs in her. I put her in a tub with a lay box but she didn't drop them over night. Hopefully she will pass them soon. I'll keep you updated about her. As for the ones she did drop in route, I highly doubt the will be viable due to them being moved around so much in transit.
Dave
From : A Select Few Reptiles <A_Select_Few_Reptiles@hotmail.com>
Sent : Thursday, June 9, 2005 9:59 AM
To : "Dave G" <davecg@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Corn group
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I figured $40 was reasonable especially since the snows basically came for free with the butter motley, opal etc. If you are unhappy with the group you can send them back and I can resell them. I won't mind.
My e-mail to him on 6/9/05
Paul,
Do you think it was irresponsible to be shipping the Butter Motley as gravid as she was? Especially now knowing she is still retaining what looks like two eggs and could become egg bound? What if the Butter Motley dies due to being egg bound?
If you had shipped on Monday and had the morning arrival like we had discussed chances are the Butter Motley wouldn't have laid and the one Snow would not have died in transit. Why did you ship Standard over night when you said it would arrive by 10:30? We discussed this on the phone and I told you that I was the first stop on the Express route but the last stop on the Standard route.
No, I'm not happy, but if I send them back to you and more die, what then? Would that not make me just as irresponsible as you were?
Dave
My e-mail to him on 6/12/05 (sent twice - the bottom (jwherps) e-mail was sandwiched between 2 submissions of this same e-mail)
Paul,
I sent you this the other day but have not received a response.
Do you think it was irresponsible to be shipping the Butter Motley as gravid as she was? Especially now knowing she is still retaining what looks like two eggs and could become egg bound? What if the Butter Motley dies due to being egg bound? (Addition 6/12/05: I will be taking the Butter Motley to the vet since she has not laid the last two eggs)
If you had shipped on Monday and had the morning arrival like we had discussed chances are the Butter Motley wouldn't have laid and the one Snow would not have died in transit. Why did you ship Standard over night when you said it would arrive by 10:30? We discussed this on the phone and I told you that I was the first stop on the Express route but the last stop on the Standard route.
No, I'm not happy, but if I send them back to you and more die, what then? Would that not make me just as irresponsible as you were?
Dave
My e-mail to him on 6/16/05
Paul,
Again, I sent you this the other day but have not received a response. I would like a response from you.
Do you think it was irresponsible to be shipping the Butter Motley as gravid as she was? Especially now knowing she is still retaining what looks like two eggs and could become egg bound? What if the Butter Motley dies due to being egg bound? (Addition 6/12/05: I will be taking the Butter Motley to the vet since she has not laid the last two eggs) (Addition 6/16: I had her to the vet today to have the last two eggs removed. The bill was $36.00.)
If you had shipped on Monday and had the morning arrival like we had discussed chances are the Butter Motley wouldn't have laid and the one Snow would not have died in transit. Why did you ship Standard over night when you said it would arrive by 10:30? We discussed this on the phone and I told you that I was the first stop on the Express route but the last stop on the Standard route.
No, I'm not happy, but if I send them back to you and more die, what then? Would that not make me just as irresponsible as you were?
Dave
On 6/12/05 I e-mailed him using a fictitious name and I received a response to this e-mail but not the one’s sent before and after this concerning our transaction. I guess he didn’t feel like he had to respond to me, and hasn’t.
From : A Select Few Reptiles <A_Select_Few_Reptiles@hotmail.com>
Sent : Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:21 PM
To : <jwherps@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Message about
: 2005 Kenyan Sand Boas
Sorry, I do not know the ratio
----- Original Message ----- From: <jwherps@hotmail.com> To: <A_Select_Few_Reptiles@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Message about
: 2005 Kenyan Sand Boas
Do you know the sex ratio of them?
John