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Subject: Re: Message about
: TROPHY JUNGLE CARPET PYTHON pair exceptional"Top of The Line" Black/Gold bloodlines
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From: <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:48 PM
To:
chuck.poland@gmail.com
Hi Chuck, how much time do you need?
Bill
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From:
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To:
Reptilegems@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 4:44 pm
Subject: Message about
: TROPHY JUNGLE CARPET PYTHON pair exceptional"Top of The Line" Black/Gold bloodlines
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Bill
I am Really really intrested in the jungle you have up for sale. If they are
still for sale I am hoping we can work some thing out. I have new twin girls
that are two weeks old and I want to get them and my wife kind of settled in and
told my wife I would wait on picking up a pair of jungles until that was done so
I don't know if you are in a hurry to get rid of them but I will buy them if you
could give me a little bit of time. I live in San Diego so I am not sure were in
cali you are but get back to me and let me know thanks
Chuck
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:05 AM
To:
reptilegems@aol.com
Bill
I could do it the first of May, If you would be cool holding them till then. I would totally be willing to put a good size deposit for them, and please don't worry as I am very serious about buying them. Thanks
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Hi Chuck, I could hold them til may 1st with a good size non refundable deposit (just incase you change your mind)...not a problem..these are going to be stunning!! I paid 700.00 for the pair so you are getting a deal..
Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:22 PM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
Sure just let me know how much and how you would like to be paid. Also I was wondering if you could send a few pics of the jungles and how much you were asking I can't find the add on kingsnake anymore. Oh I thought the add said they were both rat feeders did I read that correctly.
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:14 AM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Hey Chuck, yes they are eating rat fuzzies without batting an eye......they are 475.00 and you can put a deposit of 225.00 and i will hold them the the first of May..
Thanks Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
How did you want to be paid I can do paypal or cashiers check. Do you also have a few current photos you could e-mail me.
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:30 AM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Hello, paypal is fine to
reptilegems@aol.com and i will try and take some new pictures for you
Thanks Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:54 AM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
I went ahead and sent you three hundred to your paypal account to hold the jungles. I look forward to the pics when you get a chance thanks!!!
Chuck
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:44 PM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
I was wondering when you thought you might be able to shoot me some pics.
Thanks,
Chuck
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
I am hoping you could e-mail me, I have not heard anything from you since I sent you the money and I am beginning to get the wrong impression if you are out of town or really busy please let me know as such, but hearing nothing makes me nervous hope you understand.
Regards,
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Hi Chuck, sorry about that, I was in Arizona for a while and just got home late last night...Your jungles are doing great...so not to worry...
Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
Thanks for the response I have a question for you. Being that they are from an 06 clutch I was wondering how big they are, I need to make cage arrangements for them and in the add pic they still looked fairly small. I wasn't sure how current the add pic was which is why I wanted a pic just let me know so I can plan accordingly
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Hi Chuck. these are late 2007's and are about 22 inches long and eat rat fuzzies already and without hesitation. Have you checked out their parents on Andrew Hares website? Very beautiful! The pictures in the ad were taken the day I posted it so they are very recent, Im not the best picture taker!! LOL
Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:11 AM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
I thought they were a highlighter x soul glow pairing which I though was in 06, do I have the parents wrong or was there a paring I missed. At any rate I am excited as heck smoking jungles and rat feeders too boot.
Chuck
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:17 AM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
I just sent you the remaining 175.00 to complete the money for the jungles so when you get a chance e-mail me so we can talk about shipping dates after the money clears of coarse.
Chuck
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From: <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:09 AM
To:
chuck.poland@gmail.com
Hi Chuck, I got the money, I will find out whats a good shipping day and then see if it works for you..
Thanks bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 9:47 AM
To:
reptilegems@aol.com
Bill
Also just a thought, I am not sure were in Cali you are but I could meet you half way if you are close that way you could keep the money for shipping. I am in San Diego
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
I live about 20 miles west of Los Angeles so a little far....Shippings okay you will have them by 10:30 in the morning..
Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
Thats cool I just wanted o throw that out there let me know when to expect them
Thanks,
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:30 PM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
I am sending out snakes on wed for thurs morning delivery by 10:30 AM..Is that good for you?
Thanks Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill
Sure that works for me, are they coming fedex.
Chuck
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Subject: Tracking number
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:17 AM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Bill I was wondering if I could get the tracking number. We have had problems with ups and fedex not trying very hard to get access into our complex so I would just like to be able to see the status incase they try to deliver and never bother to call my unit for access.
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Hey Chuck, I will send you the DHL airbill # later after I drop them off...Let me have a contact phone so I can put it on the box just in case they have trouble.
Thanks Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:03 PM
To: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
619 871-6950 my cell
619 291-5142 my HM
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From: <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:10 PM
To:
chuck.poland@gmail.com
Hey Chuck, they are on the way DHL airbill # 53515939842.
Enjoy them and I would love to see them in the future after they color up
Thanks again, Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:15 PM
To:
reptilegems@aol.com
Bill
they got here just fine and I am very happy with them. I will send you pics when hey color up
Chuck
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From: Bill Corwin <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:02 PM
To: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
great, glad they got there fine...yes, i would love to see picture of them when they get older and maybe buy some babies back from you...
Thanks again, Bill
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Bill
I took the pair of jungles you sold me to the vet today because one of them had loose stool, and has had it since its first bowel movement. My vet did a direct fecal smear and found Trichamonas so I ended up having both of them treated. The vet also popped them for me and said they were both males so needless to say I am upset that I had to spend $151.00 on captive bred animals to have them treated for protozoan parasite and they are both males to boot. I understand you are not obligated to do any thing here as they have been out of you hand a little while but like I said the one came to me with loose stool on his first bowel movement, and based on that the vet said he had to have had it before he came into my possession. I just wanted to let you know and see what you had to say about all this.
Chuck
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From: <reptilegems@aol.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:42 PM
To:
chuck.poland@gmail.com
Hey Chuck,
Whats up with the negative stuff on Kingsnake, NOT COOL....I was away on a West Texas snake trip and just got home, thats why I havent replied sooner to your email last week..
I have been working with snakes for over 40 years and have been breeding them since the early 1980's. I worked in three major ZOO herpetology departments also...So when it comes to husbandry my collection is outstanding..
I never said that I bought these from Andrew, I said I bought these from a big breeder that bought these from Andrew and he also had first pick, so these will be nice...Also, I havent found a vet yet that knows much about reptiles, they like to think they do though.. Andrew, when he sold these sexed them then the guy I bought them from (big breeder) sexed them when he got them and when i bought them from him. I popped them too, and they are definitely a pair...I would said that three professional herpetologist sexing this pair knows better what sex they are than a vet that does mainly dogs and cats. As for the trichamonas, when I got that pair or any other snakes, i quarantine them and they checked out clean and had nice hard stools for me before i sent them....You had them over a month and no word from you that there was a problem, so they had to have gotten it somewhere else..
As far as the size, I showed you pictures and you even asked me their length in an email in which I replied to their exact size...I am working with jaguar carpets and most of the 2007 that I buy are the same 2 foot size...The ones you got from me were starting to pound rats which means they will grow faster now!!
I let you put down a depoist and i held them for a few weeks for you and then you tell everybody that im a BAD GUY...Real Nice!!!
Bill
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From: chuck poland <chuck.poland@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:16 AM
To:
reptilegems@aol.com
Bill
You never told me that you bought these snakes from a big breeder that got them from Andrew. You never said anything of the sort to me, in fact, I pressed you for pics and you never sent them to me and why would a late 07 be 22 inches long? Just a little small that's all I was saying. So if they were late 07's when were they hatched? It puts a question mark on what you claim them to be in my eyes.So who is this big breeder you got them from? That would be nice to know.I had already put a non refundable deposit down on them so I was committed at that point whether I thought you were full of shit or not.
To move on to my vet
http://drexotic.com/bio_jenkins.htm He is extremely competent in reptiles. So feel free to call him or review his Bio the link is right there. I can Scan and post the diagnosis report he gave me from the fecal smear. As for the sexing, my vet popped them and said they both look like males but when they get a little older I will have them probed to be sure and if he was wrong I will amend my Boi post.
I fed these snakes a week after I got them and the stool was loose. I thought it strange so the following week I feed them again and same deal. By now I am pretty sure they have a parasite load. These snakes have been in quarantine since they got here. I made an appointment for the vet and got them in after that. I didn't e-mail you earlier because I wasn't going to accuse you of anything until a medical professional confirmed what I suspected. I don't want anything from you, you sold me sick animals, no matter what you say you are full of shit and I am going to put you out there for it. I saw the negative BOI thread with the RI of the bearded dragon before I sent you any money. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Look bottom line None of my collection is sick or has been sick and I keep a very clean house. You sent me two snakes that had loose stool from there first poop. Then I saw the add for that nice Will bird Jag you were selling I clicked on the pic to make it larger. Bill that was one dirty ass tub you had there which confirmed it for me if you were not even going to clean the tub before you take the pic to try to sell the snake I can only imagine how it looks the rest of the time. Maybe its because you are out of town so much there buddy you do not have not time to take care of your animals.
I am glad you have been in herpetology for so long but, I don't really give a shit how long you have been doing this. You sold me sick animals bottom line, Bill I am really a nice guy I would have love nothing more than to say how great a transaction I had with you. I have no interest in making you look bad past informing the internet reptile community of my experience with you. If there was even a question in my mind on whether the animals had this parasite load before they came to me I would have never posted it to the BOI. You know what if you would have apologized to me owned up to any of this. I would have amendend that BOI to a much more favorable view. YOu know whats funny when you said that all the stuff I said on the BOI wasn't cool I was thinking the same thing about how you did me.
Chuck
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