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Old 04-03-2020, 01:44 PM   #331
WebSlave
Well, from what I understand, Florida is now on statewide lockdown. Of course, I read the document from the governor concerning the official order, and from the list of people and businesses that are considered as being "essential", I think they could have saved a lot of time and space by listing the people who were NOT essential. Which all defeats the point of this completely.

Interesting development, though. Connie and I ordered a few things with the expectation that UPS would be delivering to our front porch. However, both packages were delivered to the post office instead. Now the wrinkle here is that USPS does not deliver to our home, as we took down the mailbox years ago after having kids running up the street once or twice a year smashing all of them. And sometimes finding our mail scattered out into the woods. So we just pulled up the mail box at the end of the driveway, and got a post office box for all of our USPS mail deliveries.

Normally it wouldn't be a problem with UPS dropping off packages at the post office (regardless of the fact that our physical address is no longer valid at USPS), since we were going there anyway, but things have changed now. I guess it is a good thing that the post office employees all seem to know us and can relate the physical address to our post office box instead of just returning the items.

Lately we are only going to the post office after hours when no one is around, and of course the front counter is closed. Last night we went there and had a yellow card in the post office box indicating that we need to go to the front counter to pick up a package. Well, that is just great. The whole idea of our going after hours was just exactly because we didn't want to have to be exposed to other people there. Yeah, they do have lock boxes available, but I guess if they get filled up or the package is too big, then there doesn't appear to be any other option to get the package(s). So not sure what to do about that. Murphy's Law thing at work again, it seems.

Does anyone know if this has now become official policy for UPS and FedEx to hand off deliveries to the post office? I don't believe the post office is equipped to be able to handle that increase in packages, but not sure why twice now UPS has done this, so it seems like a budding trend to me. Which would put the brakes on our idea of ordering supplies online for the few items we might run low on if this lockdown situation continues for longer than we are expecting. And honestly, I am surprised that the counter services are still available at the post offices anyway. We had to run to the bank yesterday and found that the lobby is closed there, so we had to use the driveup window for the first time ever. And a lot of places are only offering curbside service or delivery. I can't imagine this won't apply to the post office too real soon.

So, let's see. Millions of Americans are applying for unemployment now. Which means that not only is the government not getting income taxes from their wages, but also spending money hand over fist for the unemployment. And then there are the "stimulus checks" I've been hearing about. How far is the federal government already in debt? 23 TRILLION dollars? Check out this display -> https://www.worldometers.info/us-debt-clock/

That number is climbing like crazy. So is the government going to just start printing up money till inflation makes all of our savings worthless, or just going to declare national bankruptcy? One or the other seems inevitable. The government doesn't seem to know how to just slow down or stop spending money it doesn't have. I'm wondering when my social security monthly payment is just going to cease entirely, or I start getting IOUs instead. At the very least I am expecting the payment to be reduced substantially. At one time I thought China might actually buy the entire USA sometime, but I guess this virus thing has moved all kinds of goalposts around so much that no one can even see them any longer. Tomorrow isn't as attractive as it used to be.

Any thoughts on what sort of PERMANENT changes will be in place when this finally blows over? I'm thinking that this coronavirus will soon join Ebola and HIV eventually in becoming black listed from being mentioned in the main stream media. The government is real big on encouraging "out of sight, out of mind" type solutions.

IMHO.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 02:00 PM   #332
Socratic Monologue
There is that "UPS SmartPost" shipping method whereby UPS does all of the package moving except for the local delivery, which is done by USPS. Could it be that?
 
Old 04-03-2020, 02:53 PM   #333
bcr229
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There is that "UPS SmartPost" shipping method whereby UPS does all of the package moving except for the local delivery, which is done by USPS. Could it be that?
Very likely. We're still getting FedEx and UPS signature-required shipments to our door (firearms). The package gets dropped, doorbell is rung, we open door, delivery driver waves and walks away.

If it's not signature-required the driver is usually back at the truck before we even get to the door.

We've been to the post office a few times and there's rarely anyone else there. The counter workers said with the schools and businesses closed they're a lot less busy than normal. I would go first thing in the morning.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 03:49 PM   #334
Lucille
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Lately we are only going to the post office after hours when no one is around, and of course the front counter is closed. Last night we went there and had a yellow card in the post office box indicating that we need to go to the front counter to pick up a package .
In the local post offices I have been in, there is a locked side window. When I was a busy young working mother and every minute counted, I would pick up packages on the way to work and lock them in my trunk. The side window was available for around 30 minutes prior to the front counter opening, one rang a bell or knocked and it was used only for package pickup.
I rarely saw any customers there, occasionally people checked their post office boxes but that was down another hall.
You might call to see if they have a similar setup in your post office.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 05:10 PM   #335
WebSlave
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There is that "UPS SmartPost" shipping method whereby UPS does all of the package moving except for the local delivery, which is done by USPS. Could it be that?
Both UPS and FedEx will deliver to the post office in that manner, and as best I can tell, there is no way to predict that beforehand. Normally I provide both the physical address and the post office box in the shipping info for that reason. But lately I have only been providing the physical address, and so has Connie, but I guess that has no bearing on how the final delivery will be handled.

I suppose going first thing in the morning might work, unless there are a handful of people waiting there with the same idea. Since we have heard that the virus can remain suspended in air for up to 3 hours, we try to have at least that much time elapse since the post office closes before we go there. Of course, I'm not really sure that "3 hours" is really accurate. Seems like the government/CDC is really not spending much time fully investigating the infectious properties of this virus, or if they really are, they are not spilling the beans to the public. Now I believe they are recommending that people were face masks whenever they are out in public, even though earlier they were saying that the face masks offer little, it any, protection against the virus because of it's small size allowing it to easily pass through masks. Seems to me that if it is that small, then it should be able to remain suspended in air like a dust mote for a long time.

But what do I know? I feel that what is happening today was easily predictable a couple of months ago, but apparently that seemed to escape the CDC and other agencies tasked with the defense of our health. They have been closing the barn door after the horses have bolted so many times now that I wonder whose side they are on.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 07:21 PM   #336
AbsoluteApril
The only reason I can think that they held off telling people to wear masks is so that more would be available for hospitals and to try to avoid people hoarding them?
The mask isn't so much to help avoid you inhaling the virus, it's so the infected (esp asymptomatic) are less likely to be spewing the virus out, it would ideally stay in the mask.
Overall our country has seemed slow to act in this whole situation. rather, re-act. :/
Best wishes to all to stay safe and inside!
 
Old 04-03-2020, 07:43 PM   #337
AbsoluteApril
Interesting (IMO) video talking about infection rates and deaths between the various pandemics from Spanish Flu onwards compared to Covid. Skip to 25 sec in if you don't want to here the sponsor spiel
 
Old 04-03-2020, 08:40 PM   #338
WebSlave
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The only reason I can think that they held off telling people to wear masks is so that more would be available for hospitals and to try to avoid people hoarding them?
The mask isn't so much to help avoid you inhaling the virus, it's so the infected (esp asymptomatic) are less likely to be spewing the virus out, it would ideally stay in the mask.
Overall our country has seemed slow to act in this whole situation. rather, re-act. :/
Best wishes to all to stay safe and inside!
Well the problem with what they have been saying is that it just didn't make any sense to me at all. If the masks are only of value when they are being used by people already infected, then does that mean that the medical personnel are the ones infected and they are trying to protect the victims from further exposure? Not bloody damn likely.... So in my uninformed opinion, if they are of protective value to front line medical people, then quite likely they would be of value to peons like me and you, too. Nothing to disparage the heros that are standing their ground helping victims, of course. But sheesh, just tell the truth!

Heck, I have a new unopened box of 10 N95 masks in my garage, and a few more of them scattered around the garage and work room that Connie and I may have worn only once for one reason or another. For instance, I usually don one when running a chainsaw to keep from breathing in wood chips. But no reason to then just throw it away after that single use. I normally don't discard them till the elastic goes limp weenie on it, as it is easy enough to blow them out with my compressor and keep on using them. Honestly, I sure as heck wouldn't want to have to wear one an entire work day!

And yeah, bear in mind that this virus can infect you through the eyes too, so if you feel wearing a mask is a good idea, then so is wearing airtight goggles of some sort. This becomes a real serious concern because of the evidence that the virus enters your body through the eyes, then traces the optic nerves back to the brain. For that matter there is also evidence that infection through the nose gives the virus access to the brain via the olfactory nerves. There is evidence that the lower brainstem has been found to be heavily infected with virus in some patients, some of which lost the ability to breathe without consciously forcing themselves to breathe in and out. Can you imagine that? Fall asleep and you die. Chances are that when the people infected lose the ability to smell or taste, that means the olfactory nerve has been infected and damaged already. If your brainstem becomes infected and thereby damaged, well, things probably won't go very well for you.

I'll tell you, I sincerely hope that a lot I have been reading about this thing is just pure unadulterated BS and doom porn hype. Otherwise things are going to get real damned ugly in a hurry. What we are seeing right now will become the "good old days" when we were healthy and ignorant of what was heading our way in the express lane. I can't help to wonder how much the CDC and other government officials already know about this and believe it better that WE don't know about it. In the latest public meetings at the White House, the participants there are not pulling any punches about this getting really bad. So I think they do know more than they want to say.

Buckle up people. This is likely going to be a pretty rough ride.

I really wish I had had the foresight to switch mail delivery back to the home physical address before this all hit.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 09:13 PM   #339
AbsoluteApril
I meant the general masks like surgical masks, homemade masks and scarves that are being recommended. N95 has particulate filter that I believe has been shown effective.
 
Old 04-03-2020, 09:43 PM   #340
E.Shell
Another bit of promising news; Ivermectin:

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...n-lab-c-955457
 

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