Some time ago I sent several animal to Joe on breeder loan. He then sold the animals to Gregg Madden who knew they belong to me. He went online afterwards stating how pissed off I would be etc..
As you can see from the conversations below, what he has been telling people is is a complete lie..
Chad burned me.. then again and then was used to justify burning me again. Today he's on FB defending Joe telling people the same old crap.. well lets put the emails out there of what really happened.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=292765
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...ose-stuff.html
-----Original Message-----
From: cfuchs1 <cfuchs1@wi.rr.com>
To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 9:23 am
Subject: Re: settle up
Sorry for not having a chance to call yet. Work has been pretty hectic the past
nine weeks and required some long days. If I don't get home at a decent time
tonight or tomorrow, I will call Saturday for sure.
Thanks,
Chad
---- Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com> wrote:
> call anytime, if I'm up I'll get it if not the phone will be on my desk and It
wont bother us if were asleep
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <cfuchs1@wi.rr.com>
> To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:05 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Sorry I didn't call last night, go stuck at the office. How late can I call
you?
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com> wrote:
> 817.305.3609
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <cfuchs1@wi.rr.com>
> To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:35 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Good Morning,
> Thank you for the email. Shoot me your # and I will call tonight or tomorrow
> ight and get things figured out.
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I emailed Joe a couple months ago to have you contact me directly about the
> nake issue. Did you get the message?
>
> I'm willing to work something out with you but I want to explain my position
> st. I wholsaled as is, as a favor 4 outstanding red n purple conda's poss
het
> > lbino for 1/2-1/3 there going rate, they were only a few weeks old weighed
> aybe 5-10g each if that, Were they shipped from 1. me to u , 2 then to your
> roker, 3then exported 4 deliverd to your customer all without being fed 1st?
> s
> his true? That's a pretty rough trip especially the exporting part. They had
> nly a few meals before I shipped that's all! The series of trips and time
> pent, is enough to stress them to the point of not feeding etc.. Unless I am
> issing something I am at a loss to why you are holding me responsible when
the
> > nakes have been through so many hands,places and even resold etc? I was not
> old what these animals would be subjected too and I am not surprised a bit
you
> > ad problem with them if this is actually what took place. They should of
been
> eld till fed and if that wasnt possible returned to me for a swap or refund.
> ut then again we havnt spoken directly either so I dont know what guarentees
> ou were given. I certainly dont offer guarantees other then live arrival and
> ed 3x when it comes to wholesale , I dont ship animals that havnt fed period.
>
> ent very nice animals to impress certainly didnt expect this.
>
> Another thing that continues to bother me...
> last year I bought 1.3 aneries supposedly from you , I recieved the
opposite
> > .1 with a deformed male. I was made to pay a premium for the female head
> ount,
> ithin minutes of recieving the animals I sent pics and notice that I would be
> hipping them back immediatly and needed a refund(I did return one to Joe
> irectly). Was basically told to keep them, that it would be made right.. I
had
> > o wait a year, take a "settlement" buy some hypos then return one and then
> oose the replacement, dissapoint my own customers for a second time etc..
> Why was I stiffed on shipping , in regards to the hypo sexing mistake..it's
> ot much but I dont think I should pay for your sexing mistake, I was told
that
> > would get a payment that never came and I mentioned it agian and no
payment,
> t's just a small amount but combined with whats going on it just makes things
> ore awkward. I lost the hypo you sent in the trade out, when I complained
that
> > oth werent feeding to Joe I was told that it had no guarantees and was
> traight
> ut of the egg..same hypo's I had to pay for to get back part of my anery
> redit? Then weeks later I am told I owe you money for animals not feeding??
> his double standard sucks man and is a hard thing for me to get past here.
> So if you'd like to work on this great, I'll send you two conda's this
> eason
> nd will expect a hypo in return. But I am unable to do anything if there's no
> ay for us to communicate.
>
>
> Also convey the below to Joe , I dont think it is possible to talk with him
> ithout fighting. And doing business with him just gets me into trouble with
> eople due to the "middleman " aspect , so to avoid this in the future I would
> ike him to send back my animals that are on loan. After the 10k in free
> nimals
> gave him last season and all I done for him in the past he shouldn't have a
> roblem returning my property in a civil manner with no arguing or insults.
>
> 0.1 red het hypo I sent on breeding loan that didnt produce last year, deal
> as for one year to his red hypo male he has no right to "demand to keep it
for
> > second year just because it slugged his 1st try"
>
> 1.1 tricolors I sent on loan + my part of any babies that were hatched out
>
> 1.0 mexican hog on loan I caught
>
> mine and my wife CD's we left at his house, would be nice if he would mail
> hem
>
> He knows the address will paypal shipping when I get a notice that there
> eing
> hipped.
>
>
> All the Best,
> Justin
>
Chad never calls or writes back..then short time letter I get this email from Joe
telling me he sold the Jag project I sent to him ON BREEDER LOAN to Gregg Madden and he basically kept all my snakes I sent him on loan or sold them over 10k
From: Joseph Schmidt <josephschmidt50@aol.com>
Date: January 31, 2012 4:37:28 AM PST
To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
Subject: Re:
I sold half of the jag project to greg because I am trying to consolidate my projects. ( I just have so damn many)
He is fully aware that the arrangement with us and those animals is that you get half of the first clutch from each female as well as if he outcrosses the males. Even down to the point of you getting first picks on the baby's.
And you know that I lost that female don't be rediculace and start pulling shit like that because we are cighting what are you freaking 7??
The reason I didn't want to go look for her is because I had no idea where she was.
I drove from Reno till I was beat ass tired pulled over and got a hotel room cashin the middle of the night(just like we did a few times) about 11/2 away from the show.there is no way in hell I could have navigated back to where I was or lost her. I have explained this to you multiple times.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <greggmmadden@hotmail.com>
To: Justin extreme hogs <asnakemann@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.
Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.
Have a good one...
Gregg
via Facebook from Alicia Maria Ogram Quoting Gregg..this is the source of Greggs quotes..
"See, now that is where the BS starts. The Jags were given to Joe for some condas. It was a breeding loan trade off. Justin sold the condas out from under Joe so Joe kept the Jags as payment. Then Joe sold me half of the Jag project and I eventually bought the rest out."
"-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <greggmmadden@hotmail.com>
To: Justin extreme hogs <asnakemann@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.
Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.
Have a good one...
Gregg"
"From:
greggmmadden@hotmail.com
To:
extremehogs@live.com
Subject: BOI thread???
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:58 -0400
I knew you would not start one. That is because you are aware that I know the entire REAL story behind the animals you SOLD to Joe. So, here is the deal. I own the entire project now. Joe did not want any snakes from your collection in his anymore and gave the rest of the project to me. Justin. I am not giving you a single snake. I do not owe you anything. You are not entitled to anything I produce. I never made a deal with you. However, I would be more than happy to sell you some jags at SLIGHTLY discounted price.
I realize you tend to get a bit pissed off when people do better than you in certain projects. But really Justin, it is not a reason to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum like some little kid who cant get his way. "
Gregg Mdden and Joe Schmidt
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