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06-12-2006, 08:52 PM
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That doesn't look like a bloodred to me. Are you sure there are NO belly checkers on that snake?
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06-12-2006, 09:20 PM
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#12
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Here you go!
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06-12-2006, 10:48 PM
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Yeah, I honestly don't think that's a bloodred. I think what you're seeing is a pretty high degree of het expression.
Additionally, how did you get normals? There is no way that amel stripe x amel bloodred produce normals. Something isn't right.
Did you buy these as adults, or have you had them as hatchlings?
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06-12-2006, 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joejr14
Yeah, I honestly don't think that's a bloodred. I think what you're seeing is a pretty high degree of het expression.
Additionally, how did you get normals? There is no way that amel stripe x amel bloodred produce normals. Something isn't right.
Did you buy these as adults, or have you had them as hatchlings?
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That is my point exactly with this thread. There is no explanation for these animals within this clutch. I raised both adults from hatchlings.
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06-12-2006, 11:10 PM
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Do you have pictures of the adults?
Was the female at ANY point with any other male?
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06-12-2006, 11:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Greathouse
The parents are both typical examples of their respective morphs. The bottom line is that they are both definitely Amel. I cannot account for these normal bloodreds in the clutch. All of the eggs have now pipped and it looks like there will be a total of three of the normal Bloodreds.
I'll try and post some pictures of the parents soon.
Thanks,
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I'm not questioning your ability to tell what you have as parents. I agree with Joe that:
A. The normal in the picture doesn't quite look like a bloodred. Looks to me like it's expressing het blood or het stripe or both,
B. One normal could 'possibly' be chalked up to genetic mutation, but 3? One or both of the adults just can't be amels can they? I know that's why you started the thread, but it doesn't make sense.
D80
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06-12-2006, 11:48 PM
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(doh!) . . .
or C. A different male got in with the female.
D80
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06-13-2006, 04:51 AM
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Joe and Brent,
Mike stated earlier:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Greathouse
Absolutely sure. This was her first year breeding and she was only bred to the Amel Bloodred. I'm at a loss on this one.
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I highly doubt Mike is making up any of the information he has provided here.
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06-13-2006, 07:20 AM
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Pics of the parents are definately needed at this point. I've seen some normal and hypo stripes that could pass for amels if it wasn't for the eyes. And the female, is simply housed with a male last year, could have been bred and retained sperm.
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06-13-2006, 07:37 AM
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The details:
Both parents are definitely Amels - I'll get some pictures in the next day or two to satisfy everyone. Yes, they both have red eyes.
The female hatched in 2002 and has been housed alone since that time.
The only pairing of this female was with the male Amel Bloodred.
I am at as much of a loss on this as everyone else. I'm not trying to hype some new morph here or claim divine intervention. Genetically speaking, these three corns should not exist within this clutch.
The purpose of my post was to see if anyone might be able to offer suggestions. I do not know the background of the Bloodred gene and thought that maybe someone else had experienced something similar.
Thank you.
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