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Old 01-16-2012, 11:30 PM   #1
WebSlave
Question Is USARK present here and using this forum?

This forum was set up specifically to give USARK a place to post notices and participate here with members. If that is not taking place, then this forum will be no more than an unnecessary duplicate of the General Legislative Discussions forum.

So is USARK using this forum, or have they abandoned it?
 
Old 01-17-2012, 08:44 AM   #2
USARK
I was never made aware of it before today.... I need someone to help me with this... someone willing to post usark alerts as they happen???
 
Old 01-17-2012, 09:54 AM   #3
Beardiefreak26
Web Slave your welcome i sent an email to USARK about this thread
 
Old 01-17-2012, 10:03 AM   #4
USARK.Jonathan.Brady
I apologize I haven't been around and active. I lost all of my logins and bookmarks for the various forums I frequent amidst a move across the state and a few other major life disruptions that are not necessary to share. I'm back and posting

jb
 
Old 01-17-2012, 12:01 PM   #5
rodneynboalich
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Originally Posted by USARK View Post
I was never made aware of it before today.... I need someone to help me with this... someone willing to post usark alerts as they happen???
i find it hard to believe you havnt heard of this before today. i know you know ive been all over this forum saying some unpopular things about usark.

im not here to fight but i would like to know what direction usark plans to take the fight, and im sure im not the only one that wants to know (now). even though retics are not listed or are said not to be listed i am still outraged by the ban and im even more outraged that usark has the audacity to claim a 5 out 9 victory, as if anything was won.

now with that said whats the plan.

usark said it would file lawsuits.

will usark keep its word and fight this ban in a court of law?

i know i have said a lot of bad things about usark, but at the same time i have admitted that right now they are the only organization fighting for the industry, even know i dont agree with some of the things they are doing.

i feel usark will take a huge blow because of this, and do to the lake of openness in usarks in decision making processes will add some accessibility to the doubt.

so what is the next step and what are the means to win
 
Old 01-17-2012, 12:32 PM   #6
rodneynboalich
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I was never made aware of it before today.... I need someone to help me with this... someone willing to post usark alerts as they happen???
that eric guy has been posting for usark all over the forum for a long time
 
Old 01-17-2012, 01:13 PM   #7
rodneynboalich
i have a recommendation for usark. if usark is willing to hear other peoples opinoins. not sure if andrews head has become so big from being full of hes own ideas that he can take in someone elses, but here we go

i recommend removing gary bagnall from usark. he bought his way into the organization with his $100,000 donation and i believe he is looking to protect himself in all this. it is rumored that he is for the big snake ban. i believe his stand on the matter is that big snakes are a pariah in the industry. and i think that a guy that makes a living selling the all important hot rocks and gecko cages would have little to lose if big snakes are ban. like todays news, it will affect him little.

ive said before that i believe that usark is a special interest lobbying group masquerading as an organization representing the whole industry and with someone like gary so heavily involved i think it corroborates my opinion.


a lot of people have told me that attacking usark the way i am is counter productive. but something else that is even more counter productive is blind faith. and blind faith is what people have had in usark. they have supported you without question. even when you tell them you wrote legislation for their states they still didnt question you, but i did.

they believe you when you say model legislation is the way to go to avoid an out right ban. its the way to go to keep your animals and keep the government out of your life. how many people will believe that after today? and i know how you will try to spin it. you will try to tell everyone that this happened because we didnt already have your model legislation in place, and how will people be able to argue that. they cant prove one way or another when it comes to what if's and what mite have been.

usark stated that it will file lawsuits if out right ban are passed. but i dont know if i believe that usark will really fight this that hard, and heres why.

1 you have people like gary bagnall as your largest contributor working on your board and we know hes not pro big snakes.

2 your willingness to compromise. your willing to compromise when it comes to state regulations and your willingness to compromise with the big snake ban that just passed.
usark, you are acting like it was a victory. right heres the link to your facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/USARK-...rs/93475517723

and heres the head line.
USARK SAVES 5 of 9 species of Constrictor! Retics, Boas, and 3 anacondas will NOT be listed!!! FWS had to lie and cheat to get Burms, africans and yellow anaconda!


i really hope usark proves me wrong on this and gos put an fights this.

after today the blind faith people had in usark ,for the most part, is gone.

usark will have to answer to the industry more now then it ever did before.

if usark wants people to really believe in them they will have to stop sending out so many email telling you what reptile show andrew will be parading around at ( all on usark supporters dime) asking for money and free animals to auction off and start sending out informative emails letting people know what the real issues are and what usark is doing about it.

and by the way stop writing model legislation for other peoples states without first consulting the people the legislation will affect.
 
Old 01-17-2012, 01:14 PM   #8
Clay Davenport
Rodney, we don't need this thread turned into yet another anti USARK thread of yours. The one you started on the BOI is where these questions belong.
I'll ask Andrew or Jonathan if they wish to reply to your comments to do so in that thread, and you to keep your comments confined there in the future.

For USARK's benefit, here is a link to the BOI Info thread
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=295980
 
Old 01-17-2012, 01:27 PM   #9
rodneynboalich
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Originally Posted by Clay Davenport View Post
Rodney, we don't need this thread turned into yet another anti USARK thread of yours. The one you started on the BOI is where these questions belong.
I'll ask Andrew or Jonathan if they wish to reply to your comments to do so in that thread, and you to keep your comments confined there in the future.

For USARK's benefit, here is a link to the BOI Info thread
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=295980
webslave needs to be the one telling me that. this is a usark section of the forum they were on here saying they didnt know about it. im assuming they will be back and i had some questions for them. i think we all do and i am very interested to hear what they have to say. and i dont think they will be able to get out it and just ignore it this time, like they have in the past.
 
Old 01-17-2012, 01:37 PM   #10
snowgyre
Rodney, if you don't like them, then don't send them money. Going on a crusade in every single USARK thread does nothing but distract from important legislative issues and irritate people. We all know your position on the issue. We don't need to be constantly reminded of your (minority) viewpoints. People won't take you seriously if you continuously make yourself look bad.

Webslave shouldn't have to give the proverbial slap on the wrist to force you into compliance. Why not a little self-policing? Apparently the Feds think we're incapable of doing just that, and you're proving them right.
 

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