Nick Lillis

Originally Posted by AllisonLeigh

I think this is some wonderful advice. I noticed the OP stated she soaked them and assisted in shedding immediately upon receiving them. That is a lot of stress for an already uncomfortable animal to go through, which could be contributing to the appetite issues. I am also disgusted by the state of the skinks skin, however I wonder if it was as obvious to the naked eye before the assisted shedding. Not even saying the OP caused the damage, but more wondering if the excess shed could have contributed to the seller not noticing the damage. Still, shipping an animal in heavy shed sounds awful to me (however I don't ship personally, so I could just be ignorant)... but it would be a hell of a lot better than shipping a clearly unhealthy animal.

OP, you state that all treatment was under the advice of the vet, however you appear (from your previous statements) to have started treatment prior to them ever seeing a vet? If I am mistaken obviously your vet receipts will address that, just going from my interpretation of what was posted.

As far as the dishonesty Ed alludes to, you have been misleading. You stated in your first post that the seller caused another party to lose their entire collection due to crypto, yet now refuse to back up that statement. Also, you started with a list of very unfortunate events that occurred in your life, however I see on another forum where you posted these same events 2 years ago. Not to say that what you've been through isn't awful enough that it would still be painful two years later, but you say it as if it JUST occurred. Whether it happened 10 years ago, or 10 days ago, my heart does go out to you... however when you state it on a completely unrelated business related forums 2 years later it could come off as someone trying to use people's pity to shield them from having to answer questions.

As other people has stated, the saddest part is had you just posted the pictures of the skinks as received, and admitted you were upset and let it get the best of you in your text correspondence, I don't think anyone would be questioning your story. Instead you call Nick out as a flipper (I see a post on this same forums where you bought snakes and then sold them what appears less than 2 months later, could that not be seen as flipping then?) and accuse him of having a devastating disease in his collection that has SERIOUS ramifications (yet refuse to provide any backup to these slanderous claims).

I hope the skinks are on their way to healthy soon. They are truly the ones suffering, the rest of the frustration is just that... frustration. Us humans are used to frustration

I think the third paragragh was HUGELY overlooked here. If it's true that she used the same sympathy card two years ago, that shows quite a deceptive side. I would love to see that dialogue. What site did she post it on? I also have no doubt that she solicited her pal of eight years, Linda, to come to her rescue. I thought the OP was a fraud after reading the first two paragraphs of her opening statements here. Then came the despicable texts she failed to include in her initial post. Then, the classic clam up when asked questions that an honest person would have answered IMMEDIATELY with no problem and nothing to hide. No answers, no proof. I think Nick balues this site and won't pull this crap again. I believe he has a good opportunity to man up, move forward and learn from this. I also believe that the OP will never hesitate to use this forum to manipulate people with deception. If there are two frauds here, I would put money on one of them learning a valuable lesson here. Anybody wanna' guess who my money's on?

I have aplogized to Nick and he has apologized to me, for the condition of the animals. From here on forward, we will be working this out amongst ourselves.

There have been several issues throughout this whole ordeal that I will address.


1) My cussing out Nick, via text messages. I have apologized to him and he has accepted. I apologized because it was the right thing to do.

I will say that I have been judged and denigrated for the name calling to him and yet the people that have found it to be so despicable (and others) find it completely acceptable to do the same kind of name calling to me. "Crazy b*tch, unhinged, bipolar," etc. Having a grad degree in human services as well as work history, that kind of labeling and name calling is also quite damaging to MY reputation. There have been MANY assumptions and hateful things said about, and to me. Please refrain from being so hypocritical in the future. For those that did NOT do this, you're appreciated.

2) My "pity party." For those that have accused me of sharing my personal information at the beginning of my post, to use as a pity party....just because YOU would use that information as a way to garner pity, does NOT mean that is the way I operate. That tells me YOU would do things that way. I chose to reveal it, because A) I had included all of that info in an earlier PM. When I was encouraged to post here and another board, I simply copy and pasted. There were some things left in it, by accident.

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with your 14 yo son hanging from a clothes rod by his belt, but there is no "time limit" or expiration on my grieving for him. There is no "get on with it" because in someone else's estimation it's been too long to mention it. I am STILL dealing with the effects of late stage uterine cancer and I will be going to the oncologist again in 2 more weeks. So yes, some of the issues i have been recovering from are almost 2 years old, while others are still continuing, currently. The attacks, name-calling, belittlement, etc have made me literally and physically sick for the past 2 days. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves because you're no better than what you have accused me of being....only I had the decency and courage to apologize. The interpretation that you derive from what I say is NOT my responsibility. Your assumptions are yours, not mine. It is your job to clarify with questions, as opposed to attacking.

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B) I truly did mean that I am too tired to be dealing with all of the attacks and so on. In the beginning, I was absolutely positive that Nick was HORRIBLE. The animals that arrived were in bad shape, but he and I have agreed to continue working together to resolve this issue.


Nick has agreed to work together with me to continue testing the animals for another 3-5 cycles or whatever is reccomended "just in case," as far as parasites and so on. sometines test results can be a false negative or positive. We have also agreed I am not going to share the vet report, nor the lab report results I got in today, on this forum. If needed, I will still post the receipts tomorrow.

I may decide to continue updating the health of the animals if anyone is intetested.

If nick chooses to have them put on here i will do so.

LOL.

Called it.

Fairy tales.

Originally Posted by greenfiremajick

I have aplogized to Nick and he has apologized to me, for the condition of the animals. From here on forward, we will be working this out amongst ourselves.

There have been several issues throughout this whole ordeal that I will address.


1) My cussing out Nick, via text messages. I have apologized to him and he has accepted. I apologized because it was the right thing to do.

I will say that I have been judged and denigrated for the name calling to him and yet the people that have found it to be so despicable (and others) find it completely acceptable to do the same kind of name calling to me. "Crazy b*tch, unhinged, bipolar," etc. Having a grad degree in human services as well as work history, that kind of labeling and name calling is also quite damaging to MY reputation. There have been MANY assumptions and hateful things said about, and to me. Please refrain from being so hypocritical in the future. For those that did NOT do this, you're appreciated.

2) My "pity party." For those that have accused me of sharing my personal information at the beginning of my post, to use as a pity party....just because YOU would use that information as a way to garner pity, does NOT mean that is the way I operate. That tells me YOU would do things that way. I chose to reveal it, because A) I had included all of that info in an earlier PM. When I was encouraged to post here and another board, I simply copy and pasted. There were some things left in it, by accident.

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with your 14 yo son hanging from a clothes rod by his belt, but there is no "time limit" or expiration on my grieving for him. There is no "get on with it" because in someone else's estimation it's been too long to mention it. I am STILL dealing with the effects of late stage uterine cancer and I will be going to the oncologist again in 2 more weeks. So yes, some of the issues i have been recovering from are almost 2 years old, while others are still continuing, currently. The attacks, name-calling, belittlement, etc have made me literally and physically sick for the past 2 days. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves because you're no better than what you have accused me of being....only I had the decency and courage to apologize. The interpretation that you derive from what I say is NOT my responsibility. Your assumptions are yours, not mine. It is your job to clarify with questions, as opposed to attacking.

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B) I truly did mean that I am too tired to be dealing with all of the attacks and so on. In the beginning, I was absolutely positive that Nick was HORRIBLE. The animals that arrived were in bad shape, but he and I have agreed to continue working together to resolve this issue.


Nick has agreed to work together with me to continue testing the animals for another 3-5 cycles or whatever is reccomended "just in case," as far as parasites and so on. sometines test results can be a false negative or positive. We have also agreed I am not going to share the vet report, nor the lab report results I got in today, on this forum. If needed, I will still post the receipts tomorrow.

I may decide to continue updating the health of the animals if anyone is intetested.

Thanks for admitting how deceptive you are! And since when do you need approval from Nick to share proof of a receipt or vet bills, whatever? And guess what? You made it clear that you didn't want to do the "back and forth" thing or the "providing proof" thing in your first post. And I challenge you to find a post from me denigrating you the way you did Nick! I made one comment calling you psycho, and that was an understatement! You are a fraud. Now I want to here from Nick.

I honestly am not fully updated on this thread since I made an agreement with Traci on this forum. This will be my last post here and its simply to update everyone on what happened. Around 3 o clock today I received a phone call from Traci Ann. This is the first time talking not over messenger or the texts from saturday night. Her first words were "I owe you a sincere apology I received the results back from the vet and they tested NEGATIVE FOR CRYPTO that the monkey tails were just underweight. She then apologized nicely about 10 more times and promised to make things right. I then said I wish she contacted me first before entering BOI's on fauna and Facebook. Again she apologized. Then I received another phone call from a random number. Which turned out to be Linda (Switzer Reptiles.) Who said almost the same thing as Traci apology and all. Thats she was mislead by this insane rumor as well. She then went through to clarify her serious concern with the reptiles health in general. Which to me seemed genuine. We then just discussed reptiles that we both had and past experiences and that no one is perfect and mistakes are made. So as of now I'm trying to end this RUMOR of my collection having crypto once and for all. Considering most of my collection has been with me a long time. I have had no such problems as you can see I have sold many reptiles on here and had a lot of positive experiences with great people! Im taking this not so pleasant transaction as nothing but a learning lesson. Thank you!

Hey Nick, what is your role in her decision not to share the vet report? Also, why are you letting her manipulate you into paying for vet bills that may have nothing to do with the animals you sent her. Make sure she sends you photos of the vet treating the animals you sent. There is a reason she is not posting proof here. She is working behind the scenes like her pal Linda tried to do with Lucille.

Originally Posted by Chris Kennard

Thanks for admitting how deceptive you are! And since when do you need approval from Nick to share proof of a receipt or vet bills, whatever? And guess what? You made it clear that you didn't want to do the "back and forth" thing or the "providing proof" thing in your first post. And I challenge you to find a post from me denigrating you the way you did Nick! I made one comment calling you psycho, and that was an understatement! You are a fraud. Now I want to here from Nick.

Chris you do understand that this constant witchunt is starting to turn into internet bullying right? I've repeatedly asked you to stop badgering me and poking at me to start fights etc.

I don't need nicks permission I'm honoring the agreement made with him.

Now please cease and desist your bullying as well as insulting and denigrating me.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Originally Posted by XtremVipereXotics

I honestly am not fully updated on this thread since I made an agreement with Traci on this forum. This will be my last post here and its simply to update everyone on what happened. Around 3 o clock today I received a phone call from Traci Ann. This is the first time talking not over messenger or the texts from saturday night. Her first words were "I owe you a sincere apology I received the results back from the vet and they tested NEGATIVE FOR CRYPTO that the monkey tails were just underweight. She then apologized nicely about 10 more times and promised to make things right. I then said I wish she contacted me first before entering BOI's on fauna and Facebook. Again she apologized. Then I received another phone call from a random number. Which turned out to be Linda (Switzer Reptiles.) Who said almost the same thing as Traci apology and all. Thats she was mislead by this insane rumor as well. She then went through to clarify her serious concern with the reptiles health in general. Which to me seemed genuine. We then just discussed reptiles that we both had and past experiences and that no one is perfect and mistakes are made. So as of now I'm trying to end this RUMOR of my collection having crypto once and for all. Considering most of my collection has been with me a long time. I have had no such problems as you can see I have sold many reptiles on here and had a lot of positive experiences with great people! Im taking this not so pleasant transaction as nothing but a learning lesson. Thank you!

You're being played BIG TIME! Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by greenfiremajick

Chris you do understand that this constant witchunt is starting to turn into internet bullying right? I've repeatedly asked you to stop badgering me and poking at me to start fights etc.

I don't need nicks permission I'm honoring the agreement made with him.

Now please cease and desist your bullying as well as insulting and denigrating me.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Have you lost your mind? Since when is asking for proof of your claims, bullying? I think you are a liar, you never took the animals to the vet. You have tried to con everyone reading into believing you fabrication ... I am not fooled. You've dodged​ the many requests for at minimum a vet receipt. Nick may be fooled, I am not. I am sure there are others who agree with me.

No wonder the snake deal went the way it did.

Yes, I've completely ignored your list of misfortunes, as it isn't relevant. I am sorry for your loss, but it isn't relevant to the issue.