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Old 03-20-2010, 08:20 AM   #31
Metachrosis
I dropped him in my ignore bucket so there will be no further dealings with . . . . . .
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May I remind you that you are now even more guilty than him of straying off topic & by making a huge post about his behavior that you have behaved in a very rude & hypocritical manner.

I have stated some of my reasons behind not cooling & instead of answering a single bloody one of them you chose to instead engage in a personal pissing match & drug a totally unrelated post into it as well.

You guys want to get in a pissing contest each other? I don't care, but do not use me or my threads as the pissing pole.

And his comment about cooling was addressed to me in my thread because he knows I view in it the same manner he does ~ detrimental to the health & well being of the boa & totally unnecessary.
 
Old 03-20-2010, 09:45 AM   #32
crotalusadamanteus
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You do understand that cooling periods are implemented to stimulate the natural breeding responses of these animals, right? To encouraging captive snakes to breed, its helpful (more like necessary) to mimic the climate of their place of origin.
I like you Nick, but that is an absolute falsehood. There are very well known and successful breeders out there that do not cool, and I'll go a step further and say that I know of one that keeps his flex watt running wide open all year round, and produces viable offspring every year.

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Sure, some will have successful results without any cooling period...however those are the exception...not the rule.

Come on man, you're smarter then that. HEALTH is the number one contributor to a successful litter. Well, that and viable sperm. LOL Lots of other stimulants out there though. Light cycles, pheromones, feed schedules, temps, and letting them just be snakes have all proved to work. There is no set rule involved with Boa breeding, just guidelines. I only know of a few people who "have" to cool to get good results.


The human mind, a lot like a parachute, works much better when open.



Bell, you go for what you know. Even 5 million dollar a year ball players strike out occasionally. Your time will come.
 
Old 03-20-2010, 09:59 AM   #33
gsrept
i always cool my boas 8 to 10 degrees in fall. when i introduce males to females in end of november the males always sit on top of females for about two weeks or so coiled in s shape and twitch then after the two or so weeks you will see copulation followd by ovulation then shed 10 to 16 days later this has always worked for me. but i also know breeders that do not cool and still get succesful pairings it is all in how you learned and what you feel comfortable in doing. good luck, hope for healthy neonates.
 
Old 03-20-2010, 03:24 PM   #34
Twizted Paths
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I dropped him in my ignore bucket so there will be no further dealings with . . . . . .
Thank you.

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There are very well known and successful breeders out there that do not cool, and I'll go a step further and say that I know of one that keeps his flex watt running wide open all year round, and produces viable offspring every year.
There are not so well known ones who do it too. Like the guy that was old when I was a kid, he breeds every year & if you talk about cooling or power feeding he'll kick ya out of his store & refuse to sell to you

Took me months to convince him to sell me my first boa & I think I only got her because one of the employees was silly enough to let me hold her & I wasn't putting her back



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HEALTH is the number one contributor to a successful litter. Well, that and viable sperm. LOL Lots of other stimulants out there though. Light cycles, pheromones, feed schedules, temps, and letting them just be snakes have all proved to work. There is no set rule involved with Boa breeding, just guidelines. I only know of a few people who "have" to cool to get good results.

The human mind, a lot like a parachute, works much better when open.




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Bell, you go for what you know. Even 5 million dollar a year ball players strike out occasionally. Your time will come.
Thanks Rick, I figure it just gives her another year & that can't do anything but good for her

I'll have two maybe three girls going this year so my odds will be better. Of course with my luck they'll all take & I won't get to see the outside world again except for rat & paper towel runs
 
Old 03-20-2010, 03:50 PM   #35
crotalusadamanteus
LOL I had two litters in '08. One of 35 live, and one with 21 live. I tell you what, when you work full time for a living, those measly 56 Boa neonates can really kick your butt good. I did nothing but whine like a little bitch that year. HA HA Ha

One litter at a time for me from now on. Unless it's the ones known for smaller litters, then I might go two. LOL
 
Old 03-20-2010, 04:04 PM   #36
Twizted Paths
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LOL I had two litters in '08. One of 35 live, and one with 21 live. I tell you what, when you work full time for a living, those measly 56 Boa neonates can really kick your butt good. I did nothing but whine like a little bitch that year. HA HA Ha

One litter at a time for me from now on. Unless it's the ones known for smaller litters, then I might go two. LOL
Yea, have to factor in their care on top of the guys I already have, getting the mommas back up to optimal, vet bills if something goes wrong, plus work, plus my human kid & then dealing with buyers & tire kickers...



All valid reasons I've waited so long to start doing this.
 
Old 03-20-2010, 06:57 PM   #37
Utta
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Yea, have to factor in their care on top of the guys I already have, getting the mommas back up to optimal, vet bills if something goes wrong, plus work, plus my human kid & then dealing with buyers & tire kickers...



All valid reasons I've waited so long to start doing this.
not to mention hold backs that you'll want then realize you don't have room for all of the 10 hold backs you wanna keep, the be extremely saddened when you have to let even MORE go
 
Old 03-20-2010, 07:14 PM   #38
Twizted Paths
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not to mention hold backs that you'll want then realize you don't have room for all of the 10 hold backs you wanna keep, the be extremely saddened when you have to let even MORE go
I can always make room, even if I have to start gorilla gluing cages to the ceiling

It's the amount of feeders I need that gets me, I hate rats & guinea pigs.
 
Old 03-22-2010, 10:01 AM   #39
mxracer4life
I don't believe in cooling. I believe that boas that do breed when "cooled" or "cycled" do it in spite of the cooling, not because of it.
 
Old 03-22-2010, 10:30 AM   #40
Twizted Paths
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I don't believe in cooling. I believe that boas that do breed when "cooled" or "cycled" do it in spite of the cooling, not because of it.
Exactly
 

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