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Old 12-03-2010, 10:37 PM   #91
Originally Posted by The BoidSmith View Post
It would be nice for those that had made a living out of selling reptiles to have an option built in their price stating "do you wish to donate "x" amount towards IBD research @ UFl. Of course there would have to be a way to ensure that the donated money goes in effect towards that cause.
My experience is that many of them would rather convince you that it's not an issue we should be worried about.

As Maynard says: Shut up and buy. In this case, a snake, not a new record.

I brought up my experience on another forum as it was occurring and was basically told I was scaring away potential customers and peeing in the punch bowl (not by the Mods). My animals are tended to by an amazing vet and UC Davis was also used in diagnosing and testing my animals. I spent a small fortune in testing and follow up testing. I was literally told I was full of shib and that I was over-reacting. Luckily, between my vet, the vets at UCD and Dr. J, I realized that there are alot of idiots in denial about how widespread this thing may indeed be.

I then did some research and was sickened by some of the big names who have poo poo'd IBD - sometimes even on forums or in interviews.

Dr. J's response confirmed that, by in large, the boid industry is willfully ignoring some of the scary truths about IBD. I mean, the possibility that an animal can go asymptomatic indefinitely and potentially infect other snakes is real.

If you do the research and look into the incident rates on how many seemingly health animals were found to be infected, your fingers start to go a bit numb. Then factor in that a large number of healthy animals that were donated for research as part of the supposed "healthy" group were infected with the virus.

In the end Dan, your idea is a great one - but one I'm betting not many breeders take you up on.

Dr. Jacobson's efforts should be strongly backed by the reptile community. Does anyone remember the HR2811 hearings in Florida? It was Dr. J who was the real star on behalf of the "Reptile Nation". The very fact that we are making progress on the war on IBD is mainly attributed to his thinly funded efforts.

While we are all waiting for the boid nation to start taking amore active role in helping out with IBD research (don't hold your breath or you will turn pretty blue), the rest of us idiots and chicken littles can send donate here:

Dr. Elliott Jacobson
2015 SW16th Ave
College of Veterinary Medicine
University of Florida
Gainesville, Fl 32610

(add for IBD Research to the memo line) should be made out to "The University of Florida Research Foundation".
Old 12-03-2010, 11:21 PM   #92
Well, I'd give you Karma for that, but I already did earlier, so you are
Old 12-04-2010, 12:25 AM   #93
I've learned so much from this thread, I really appreciate everyone's attempt to inform in addition to warning. I had done some research into IBD when I thought one of my little pythons had it. I can tell you, a lot of what I read was wrong, or just pieces of the whole truth.
Old 12-04-2010, 12:42 AM   #94
The BoidSmith
Originally Posted by Skiploder View Post
but one I'm betting not many breeders take you up on.
Well, it is their loss. Could you imagine the image a breeder could portray by doing so? Aside from contributing to science it would be a great sales pitch. The one who starts with it will be the innovator.
Old 12-06-2010, 08:52 AM   #95
There's more cases proving Ashley's quarantine was NOT as stringent as she claimed it to be.

For example: Sakara did NOT quarantine for more than 1-2 months, if at all, before putting these guys in a picture with a snake she has had for about 2yrs

Definitely not good quarantine procedures. This one shows them all together…
BCL comparison... 5yrs, 2yrs, 3mos
Posted in September 2010

Here's when she got the other snakes:
July 2010

July 2010

So her statement regarding her quarantine period is not accurate.
Old 12-06-2010, 09:05 AM   #96
Oops..sorry, forgot to add:
Originally Posted by Sakara
I don't let rats sit in the enclosure for more than overnight... Because the rat will start deteriorating as soon as it's thawed... If the snake doesn't eat it right away or overnight, someone else gets it
Aside from the fact that you feed a rat that's sat out overnight to another snake...clearly there's some cross-contamination going on there.
Old 12-06-2010, 09:47 AM   #97
Incidentally one of the snakes in the above picture IS the one that died from suspected IBD.
Old 12-06-2010, 10:04 AM   #98
If you are stopping sales, you might want to remove these ads on these sites so everyone is on the same page. I know the ads are a little older, but you should still remove them. be more)t=213003&highlight=sakaragt4

Probably whatever ads on Craigslist you have as well. I'm 99.99% sure this is yours because who else has 5 female Bolivians for sale in your area?
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Old 12-06-2010, 10:12 AM   #99
What baffles me is WHY these snakes were listed for sale AFTER the initial suspicion of IBD??
Old 12-06-2010, 10:19 AM   #100
Originally Posted by amercnwmn View Post
Incidentally one of the snakes in the above picture IS the one that died from suspected IBD.
Sorry was supposed to say "IS NOT".. Snake that died from suspected IBD was last year, this pic was just to show that quarantine was lacking in the collection..

It's too early.

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