This is what sand can do, Heres the link that I posted
http://homepage.mac.com/exoticdvm/re...oAlbum181.html
Here is a link, not for the weak stomach, this is what can and most likely will happen if you keep your leo on sand. It does cause impaction. Click for larger pics.
Link
03/09/06 12:30pm
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NinjaTurtle
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684317
This is what sand can do
Thank you for posting this, Houdini. I mean, I don’t like looking at it, but maybe it will get some of the new guys to stop defending sand.
03/09/06 12:39pm
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Camo_pants
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684317
This is what sand can do
so glad I don’t use it anymore
If that happened to my leo I could never forgive myself
03/09/06 12:39pm
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684317
This is what sand can do
That’s sick!
I don’t know whether I’m more upset that the Leo died or angry because someone let that happen!
03/09/06 12:40pm
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NinjaTurtle
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Message To: Witch In reference to Message Id: 684332
This is what sand can do
Both! Even if (yes, this will be a potshot at TEK9’s new thread) they ’do live on sand in the wild, derrrrrrrrr’ why would you want conditions that kill leos young than a condition that will help them live their life to the fullest? Honestly, why risk it?
03/09/06 12:43pm
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Message To: Witch In reference to Message Id: 684332
This is what sand can do
Witch,
I know it pisses me off. For the same reasons. Thats why i spent about 6 to 8 months reading about leos on different forums before I went out and got mine. Its sad that people would risk an animals life just so their tank will look cool.
Kristy
03/09/06 12:43pm
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NinjaTurtle
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684338
This is what sand can do
And that petstores will recommend it just to make a buck or two.
03/09/06 12:45pm
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Message To: Witch In reference to Message Id: 684332
This is what sand can do
wheres the information all I see is a impacted leo with no clinical information, anybody can find pictures of anything, sand isn’t a good substrate but the gecko obviously had some other problem which caused the impaction (which is a symptom not a disease) there is always an underlying cause i.e dehydration or mineral deficiencies. In this case it looks like both, calci-sand encourages reptiles to ingest it to get needed nutrients when deprived by there owners. I think owners need to take responsibility for their actions rather than blame a product for killing their animals.
03/09/06 12:49pm
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Message To: NinjaTurtle In reference to Message Id: 684339
This is what sand can do
NOthing against tek9s thread but some leos will encounter sand in the wild, sand is not their natural substrate. In captivity sand is proven to cuase impaction. People, new leo owners, and experienced, need to know what can happen and how to avoid it. I just wanted to post some proof.
03/09/06 12:49pm
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Message To: TEK9 In reference to Message Id: 684343
This is what sand can do
is a necropsy report available? or was this a home dissection?
03/09/06 12:50pm
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NinjaTurtle
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Message To: TEK9 In reference to Message Id: 684343
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A CONDITION??? WHAT CONDITION WOULD CAUSE A LEO TO EAT SAND? GO AHEAD, DO RESEARCH, AND FIND A CONDITION THAT WOULD CAUSE A LEO TO EAT IT’S SAND. ADMIT THAT YOU’RE WRONG, ADMIT THAT SAND IS BAD, BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER WIN THIS ARGUMENT.
03/09/06 12:51pm
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684344
This is what sand can do
Tek9 the impaction causes the dehydration because they cannot further digest anything once they are impacted. So they cannot keep themselves hydrated. Go to faunaclassifeds and post your thread there they will tell you the same thing. Along with many other forums.
03/09/06 12:53pm
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Message To: TEK9 In reference to Message Id: 684346
This is what sand can do
Do you REALLY need a necropsy report to find out what killed it? It’s pretty freakin obvious- look at the x-rays, look at the leos vent, tail size, etc, and it’ll be pretty freakin obvious what killed it. Also, what makes you think DEHYDRATION, OF ALL THINGS IN THE HISTORY OF STUPID THINGS YOU’VE SAID, WOULD CAUSE A LEO TO EAT IT’S SAND? Is the sand wet? Does the leo think it’s swimming when it’s on sand?
03/09/06 12:53pm
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Message To: TEK9 In reference to Message Id: 684346
This is what sand can do
It was done by a vet, look him up and call him.
03/09/06 12:54pm
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Message To: NinjaTurtle In reference to Message Id: 684347
This is what sand can do
TEK9, your a moron. Its simple, A gecko can get sand while hunting, licking around its tank, or by you being a dumba.. and trying to get people to think that sand is okay for their leos.
Please answer this question so that EVERYONE can read it:
TEK9, does sand cause impaction?
ok, now lets see what he says to that simple question, thats all there is too it.
-john.
03/09/06 12:59pm
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NinjaTurtle
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684350
This is what sand can do
As far as your ’mineral deficiency’ argument, Tek9, calci-sand is made out of calcite, which is a fake version of calcium. Calcite comes from an organism in the sea, and it has no nutritional value whatsoever. So mineral deficiency is a bunch of poop.
03/09/06 12:59pm
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Message To: Houdini1 In reference to Message Id: 684350
This is what sand can do
Okay i’ve decided, i’m upset but i’m even more ANGRY THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL TRYING TO ARGUE A CASE THAT SAND IS OKAY!!!
03/09/06 01:02pm
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Message To: NinjaTurtle In reference to Message Id: 684356
This is what sand can do
exactly a fake form of calcium which the animal ingests thinking its gonna help it but it does nothing leading to an endless circle of ingestion, impaction is a symptom not a disease
03/09/06 01:03pm
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Message To: TEK9 In reference to Message Id: 684362
This is what sand can do
A symptom of what? Impaction is impaction.
03/09/06 01:08pm
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NinjaTurtle
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Message To: TEK9 In reference to Message Id: 684362
This is what sand can do
How does the animal thinking that the calcite is real prove it’s a condition? I highly doubt a leo knows what calcium is, much less whether it could tell the difference between calcite and calcium. So, therefore, what condition is it? Find me a medical term and definition for the condition, and MAYBE I’ll think your way. Is the leo retarded? Or does it simply not know any better? Are you telling me my leos have some sort of condition, because my leos are 100% healthy and they still lick their paper towels? Several times I’ve caught them licking their paper towels, testing what the substrate is, and they haven’t died from it. They have everything they need- calcium, vitamins, water, hides, heat... so what condition could my leos possibly have that makes them lick their paper towels? What condition could a leo have that could make it want to see what it’s substrate it? It’s the same with humans, if we don’t know what something feels like, we touch it. Can it be harmful to us? Very much so, but can it also be good for us? Yes. It can.
Tek9, you’ve used up your bag of feeble argument, why are you still trying? We’ve won, you’ve lost because with every post you make yourself sound stupider.
03/09/06 01:09pm