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Originally Posted by Seamus Haley
Did he though? I've been trying to follow the thread and believe I have the gist of it, but I have been given two, maybe even three different impressions based on some of the posts and I am unable to sort out which one is the truth.
Situation A: User One gets their account yanked for whatever reason and is unable to use the classifieds, so User Two begins posting ads for animals in the posession of User One, who will be drop shipping in the event of purchase. The animals are never in the posession of User Two.
That would be a clear violation of KS's policies as stated and a suspension for user two would be logical and justified.
Situation B: User One gets their account yanked for whatever reason but continues to sell their animals through other venues. Wholesale lists, other websites, shows and preexisting contacts. User Two purchases animals from User One and, now in posession and as the legal owner of the stock, decides to resell it and lists it on Kingsnake. KS's moderators were aware that the banned User One was the previous owner or dealt in that kind of stock, make an assumption about who owns the animals and enforce a suspension.
Basically a misunderstanding that didn't actually involve any violations of KS's stated policies and should have been able to be cleared up with a little communication.
Both of the above situations are, of course, filtered through the basic policy of any non-government business, where they have the right to refuse service for any or no reason to anyone. I'd hope that anyone running a business would have some sense of perspective and reason and not start tossing bans out to anyone even remotely associated with someone who was already kicked, but on the flipside, reputation and association do matter and people are constantly drawing up "sides" when there's conflict of any sort.
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thank you for seeing that part..majority have seen this part and have supported me via email etc..there are a few who seem I'm only whining and wanting a pity party..
i thought all the facts were on the table but some seem to still be leaving or missing part...
1 i bought and paid for animals from Michael Cole after his suspension/ban from a whole sale list..purchased and took possesion of them
2 i took my own pictures(some one asked about that) and posted them for sale on kingsnake along side my 07 morphs i produced
3 i was banned from kingsnake for circumventing their ban (they never told me who i circumvented)
4 no explanation was ever given to me..even when i attempted to contact them via email etc no response was ever given to me
5 Michael sent a letter to the legal department at kingsnake explaing that if indeed the ban on my account was from me selling animals they thought were associated with him that all records were available to show that i had purchased them and took possesion..however no response ever came to Michael from kingsnake or Jeff and letter was signed that it was received by Jeff himself
6 daytona...Jeff took a few moments to talk to Michael concerning the ban on both parties..he told Michael that it had appeared to him and others(no names were ever given)that i must be selling Michaels animals because i had not been selling morphs prior to his ban...(this is where i had previously stated how can i sell morphs before august when mine were not born till middle of July and they needed to have a few meals in them)..Jeff also told Michael that nothing he showed etc would change his mind..however he told Michael that he and i could re-apply in 3 months..
7.. 3 months have passed and i re-applied after 4 emails to their review department(no other way to contact them is given) just as Jeff said i could(even though no one there would even give me the chance to defend myself) this is the response i got from them
After a careful review of documentation provided by our archives, by
other users, or interviews conducted by our staff, it has been
determined that you are in breach of your contract with our business
with the following TOS violations.
Account Sharing
Circumventing Ban
Ive never shared an account and i never circumvented a ban
Ive never bashed kingsnake or anyone there..the last person asked why i posted this here since kingsnake refunded my $$$
8 i posted this here as i receive so many emails and phone calls asking why i don't sell on kingsnake anymore...
when i try to explain different parts got confused..so to keep anyone from bashing kingsnake etc and losing their accounts i decided to post here so they could see how things can happen over there...
as far as the animals still being posted on Michaels web site that is out of my control..i have no access to his web site to change animals being offered..and for the record that was only an assumption as neither Jeff nor anyone from kingsnake ever mentioned that..it was the only logical explanation we could come up with..as i bought a few albinos and some yellow bellies..and these animals were all normal looking morphs..no distinguishing marks..how someone could tell these were produced by Michael would be unknown to me..
again nothing against Michael as he has done everything in his power to correct this for me..but if i was indeed found guilty of selling animals that were still on his site Michael should have been punished not me..as i did not post them on his site nor do i have any control of his site..
this is why i posted this here..i felt i was wronged..yes Jeff and kingsnake have the right to ban anyone or allow anyone to they choose to use their site..however their reasons for banning me i think were unfounded and they will not listen to me nor will they give me the place to state my case and this is the BOI..my inquiry was to how many others this has happened to..
as far as getting my account back I'm sure i never will..but since i know this thread has made its way to the powers that be at kingsnake possibly they will look into the way they handle some situations so the the next person like me is not banned for something out of their controll
Tim