Ripped off by Lisa Apramian in San Diego

HE KNEW I was gone. I told him everything. This was NOT rip off. It was a delay. Period.

Post your proofs Lisa.

Here is what someone wrote me who has known me for a decade:

"Over the years I have bought countless snakes. Hundreds of transactions. Some great some went horribly wrong . I never had the need to publicly post and bash someone over a delay in shipping. I once waited over 8 months for a guy to ship me snakes I spent 6000 on . Heard every reason in the book. He went through a divorce, a surgery , cancer you name it. I waited and trusted him and eventually he sent me what was promised. It happens...... to call you a thief and a scammer was going too far. The whole reptile community is full of big egos quick to bash anyone"

Where are the vet papers?

Originally Posted by spiralawakening

The whole reptile community is full of big egos quick to bash anyone"

Prior to the BOI there was much scamming going on in the reptile world. There still are scammers, but here we can share our opinion and experience to help those potential buyers and sellers coming after us, and point out matters of concern.

Originally Posted by spiralawakening

This is a private matter and will be dealt with privately. Not on any forum with a bunch of immature people who have nothing better to do with their time than fight. Good day to all.

You were saying about bashing?...

Making customers sound unreasonable (or worse) for not wishing to wait an inordinate amount of time, for something paid for and through no fault of the customer, has to be one of the more inane things I have heard/read. Especially if/when the seller has the means to make things right.

When dealing with live animals, importing/exporting, or weather, sure, there may be a difference from the retail norm, etc.
However, when someone pays for something, they should get it immediately or, in the case of live animals, as soon as possible and in a reasonable time frame ... &/or as soon as it is safe for the animal.

If something happens to the animal while in the care of the seller, or if a misfortune should befall the seller, the customer should not have to "pay a price" for those misfortunes. Worse is ~expecting~ the customer to have to "pay a price".

Should something occur, to/with the seller or animal, an apology should go out, to the customer, along with the offer of a refund should the customer no longer want the animal due to its being compromised, or cannot have the animal due to its demise , or customer does not wish to wait (after circumstances have been explained to the customer).

Let us not forget, too, that, in this day & age, one cannot trust everyone. Especially someone not personally well known. It is unfortunate but there are a lot of scammers out there.
With that, it is quite understandable if/when a customer should start feeling skittish when time keeps ticking by without receiving what was paid for. Made even worse without very good, and open, communication.

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Originally Posted by Lucille

Where are the vet papers?

This is unessisary. The only reason mites came up is because Lisa was respectfull enough to alert a customer prior to delivery of something that she perceived to be an issue. Lisa has not sold an animal with mites. Even if she did post vet papers what would you expect to see? A receipt? Last time i checked a vet didn't discharge you with papers containing information on ailments that you don't have. Maybe if you requested it they would but why would she? Unless come one comes on here claiming she sold them an animal with mites then papers are irrelevant. Her personal beliefs, her personal business, and her doctorate/ education have all been attacked on this thread. None of which have any relevance here

So was the refund received?

Lisa, you need to name the owner of the quote in full. Otherwise, it is anonymous third-party quotation (which is against the rules for the BOI).

Originally Posted by Morelia House

This is unessisary. The only reason mites came up is because Lisa was respectfull enough to alert a customer prior to delivery of something that she perceived to be an issue. Lisa has not sold an animal with mites. Even if she did post vet papers what would you expect to see? A receipt? Last time i checked a vet didn't discharge you with papers containing information on ailments that you don't have. Maybe if you requested it they would but why would she? Unless come one comes on here claiming she sold them an animal with mites then papers are irrelevant. Her personal beliefs, her personal business, and her doctorate/ education have all been attacked on this thread. None of which have any relevance here

Yes it is necessary!
Lisa was the one who posted on here boasting her collection was mite free as could be verified by multiple vets!
If you cant stand the heat, keep out of the kitchen!

"my entire collection has been examined by multiple vets and determined as both mite and disease-free. Lisa"

Her words.....

Agreed it does not actually state she has vert papers but one could assume that she might after "multiple vet visits" at $xxxx cost yes?