DAN BIFIELD! HORRIBLE BUSINESS ETHICS!!!

Just a note, it's not (at least in my state) statutory rape if the high school senior is 18,  which many are. So we're only dealing with the obvious loser aspect of someone dating a girl 15 years younger than he is. This guy sounds like the guy you have nightmares about when you're making deals on the internet...

Erin Benner

I recently shipped an adult female albino boa North West at $3000. Shipping with insurance came to about $180. Last time I shipped North West charged $2.50 for every $100 for insurance. (At the very least he sould give you the shipping cost he charged you back.) I raised the adult female &nbsp;(6 1/2&#39<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> I sold from the time she was 3 weeks old, I wasn't about to take any chances with her. Anyone who ships Fed Ex if its a $3000 animale or $30 is taking a chance thats just not worth risking. Just my thoughts on the subject.
Jason Reese.

At no time did i say I was shipping via air port.

The animals in question were in great health when I sent them out.

I told Jeremy I would ship the same day I got his money, and I did. I told Jeremy I would give him a FULL refund to send the snakes back. I even offered to pay his shipping.

"What is the problem?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>"

The problem is that you are trying to get some money back cuz air born express left package on your step. I am sorry about that and don't know why air born left it without a signature required.

&nbsp;"IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY THEN SEND THE SNAKES BACK FOR A REFUND".

DAN BIFIELD

Everyone is so quick to jump on someone without knowing both sides of the story.If he is not happy he can send back for a full refund.

I never told him I was shipping air port to air port.

DAN

I am a perrenial sticker of my nose where it doesn't belong, so here I go again <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

Matthew, do you have any of the e-mail correspondences between you and Dan PRIOR to the deal being "completed" that detail how the transaction would go through? And would you mind posting them here in their entirety? Also, Dan, same questions. &nbsp;
Dan, there were also complaints brought by other people here regarding doing business with you. &nbsp;Although this thread was started and is mainly concerning Matthew Butler's deal with you, a few others have offered their experiences as well. &nbsp;And none of which are favorable to say the least. &nbsp;Your lack of addressing their deals seems to at least in my opinion, show that those things were indeed true, yet you are avoiding the subject.
Also, the question of the $200 shipping charge was not mentioned. &nbsp;Did you charge $200 to ship the snakes? &nbsp;If I were YOU, I would have been all over that little nugget if it were untrue. &nbsp;
If you are a mammal person, then great, perhaps that is where you should keep your business.

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Airborne does not require signatures....they always leave the packages.....also shipping with airborne is NOT $200.

The shipment you sent probably cost under $50
why the $200?

Do you normally charge $200 shipping for a shipment which only costs $50

Dan.... You're kidding! Right? You SAY you said nothing about shipping Delta, but, you charged him $200 for shipping Airborne? What kind of BS is that? If nothing else.... you owe him (at least) $140! PAY HIM BACK! What kind of SCAM were you trying to pull off? Nevermind the fact that you didn't even call him to let him know it was coming! And, if it's a residential house.... Airborne will NOT require a signature, UNLESS IT'S ASKED FOR!
I don't need to hear both sides of THIS story.... Those shipping charges say everything I want to know!
And, also.... stop using Griff as a reference! All you are is his customer.... Period! He has never recommended you, and probably never will! When the folks see that you get a lot of your inventory from Griff.... all they'll have to do is contact Griff, and cut out the "scamming" middleman!
Dan.... you better get back in reality if you want a future in this business? Nobody is going to put up with that! Send him his OWED money! Do the right thing, at least ONCE! ....Neil

Dan, what did you think all that money was for? &nbsp;We dont ship snakes to somebodies porch, especially not when they cost almost 4000 dollars. &nbsp;We ship delta, and delta is what was asked for. &nbsp;You know you were supposed to call Jeremy before you shipped them. &nbsp;You failed to do that. &nbsp;You packaged them wrong! &nbsp;And the female albino is sick. &nbsp;The younger snake could have been crushed. &nbsp;If i thought you would actually return his money, id have him send them to you. &nbsp;Seeing you business ethics, i seriously doubt youd ever refund any of the money. &nbsp;If you want to make this right, send him his money back that he paid for shipping, all 200 of it. &nbsp;He shouldnt owe you a dime for shipping, as you didnt ship the way he specified. &nbsp;Next is my concern for the animals. &nbsp;The fact that they sat on the porch for nearly 10 hrs is reason enough to be examined by a vet. &nbsp;That i feel you should also pay for. &nbsp;Yet, i realize you dont care about this bad deal, or any of the others. &nbsp;Dan, could you also explain the "friends" from kalamazoo that you were going to send to Jeremy's house??? &nbsp;What would you send them there for? &nbsp;Sadly enough, i wish i had all of this info in an e-mail, however, we spoke to him on the phone thru this deal. &nbsp;As most people dont take you seriously without calling them. &nbsp;Dan, at the very least you owe the shipping costs back. &nbsp;My advice to anybody out there, is to stay away from Dan. &nbsp;If you already have a snake of his, dont bother sending it back. &nbsp;Just look at his business ethics, do you really think he'd send your money back?? &nbsp;I know better!

Matt Butler.

A secondary issue at best but... As far as I know, Airborne doesn't allow you to ship live animals under any circumstances regardless of the species involved.

Fed-Ex, UPS, Delta Dash even USPS will allow you to ship any animal you want; some species require special handling and are thus more expensive, or a live animal shipping account, again usually a small amount of extra money...

But the only way to even get a snake into Airborne Express' shipping center is to lie to the person picking up the package and &nbsp;mismark the contents (i.e.- "fresh produce").

While this seems fairly unimportant as they arrived- there was no signature required, there was no confirmation that anyone would be there to reccieve the shipment and the snakes are experiencing health problems. The excuse given that "the snakes were healthy when shipped" holds no water if an inappropriate shipping method is used, the seller assumes full and complete responsibility for shipping anyway and using an inappropriate shipping/packaging method only compounds and increases that responsibility unless the buyer requested a cheaper method for whatever reason (Not likely with a $4000 transaction when they dropped $200 for &nbsp;shipping). Add in the fact that Airborne does not ship live animals and therefor will not assume financial responsibility for any damage to the contents of their packages and that there was no request for a signature upon delivery to ensure that it was properly acquired by the buyer or their representitive... And there is a signifigant problem and, based on the information seen so far which is predominantly one sided, a burden of heavy responsibility on the seller's end.

Even if use of Delta Dash or an alternative Airport to Airport shipping method was not discussed, I am fairly certain the buyer would not request shippment through an illegal method with no assurances or guarantees given through the shipper. Two thousand feeder anoles at Ten cents each perhaps... But not albino boas and not with the amount of money given for shipping.

I freely acknowledge that I do not have complete information on this situation, that I am not involved in the least and that my opinion is meaningless... But my personal view is that, based on what I have read so far, there was a misrepresentation of services if not product, there was an alteration from the proposed shipping method and there was an "illegal" shipping method used where neither party involved can register a complaint about the package being left unsigned for. Because these &nbsp;decisions seem to have been made unilaterally by the seller, the burden of responsibility is theirs, the buyer has no reason whatsoever to trust any further promises and the seller must reccognize this and perhaps make a few &nbsp;amends they might not generally... Such as &nbsp;sending at least a partial (enough to cover shipping at the very least) refund before the snake is sent back... This is just my personal solution, customer service is what will keep you successful and that includes selling the healthy, quality animals the buyer wants, shipping through approved &nbsp;methods and not altering any aspect of any deals without approval from the purchaser...

I am waiting with interest for the response to the multitude of accusations, I don't personally like making Character judgements without substantial information on all parties involved and I may very well alter my thoughts on the matter with a perponderance of evidence... Not that my opinion or thoughts on this matter are of any signifigant importance, being uninvolved... But hey.

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Fed-Ex, UPS, Delta Dash even USPS will allow you to ship any animal you want; some species require special handling and are thus more expensive, or a live animal shipping account, again usually a small amount of extra money... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Not true.

Airborne specifically states that live chelonians and frogs are the only shippable herps. Fed Ex expressly prohibits most live animal cargo. UPS accepts herps on an "exception only" basis.

As for USPS, the types of animals shipped are restricted. Under no circumstanses is it ever legal to ship snakes via USPS. Postal regulations are quite explicit on which animals are mailable and which are not.