Allen Belcher / BigDaddy's Wholesale (Good Experience)

Originally Posted by RJK890

As far as the housing conditions go, I doubt the pics in the other thread represent the normal conditions of Allen's enclosures. If that were the case he would not have healthy adult breeders, would he? If you have 3 or more 100-200g BP's in one 12qt sterilite tub(which I don't personally agree with,) assuming you feed them at the same time they could defecate within the same 12 hour period(at least once.) That would leave you with at least 3 piles of crap, plus urine. Add a tipped water bowl, a shedding, proper room conditions(80+degrees/60% humidity), six more hours, and an unhappy employee who's fixing to quit working for you(no offense Bry), and viola, just 18hrs from the last cage cleaning you have a Kodak moment.

That would be Allen's fault for piling that many animals into one small enclosure, allowing that kind of filth to pile up, and opening himself up to a "Kodak moment". Disgruntled employee or not (which I don't know if he was), those snakes should not have been in those conditions, period. It doesn't matter if all of that could have happened in a 12-hour period -- it was Allen's choice to risk that. Even just one hour in that kind of filth is not healthy or acceptable. That is a giant red flag in my mind not to purchase anything from him -- and not just Allen, but ANYONE that would be treating their animals like that.

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[Originally Posted by JenHarrison
Disgruntled employee or not (which I don't know if he was),]

I had originally typed the word disgruntle in my post but decided to use the word unhappy instead because I thought it would be less offensive. The definition of disgruntle is unhappy, or dissatisfied. Since Bryon quit his job with Allen, and after reading everything he has posted about his employment there, I would definitely say he was a disgruntle(unhappy, and dissatisfied) employee. Again, No offense intended but happy and satisfied employee's do not usually quit their jobs. If that does offend you, then you need to adjust your sensitivity level.

Cathy,
Thanks for the english lesson.
Slander: to utter(say, express, give out, send forth, or put into circulation) false statements; to defame(to damage ones reputation by slander or libel( a milicious falsehood, written or printed, that defames.); a false statement.

In case it didn't make sense, I'll 'splain and simplify it a bit further.

SLANDER is orally spoken.

LIBEL is written words and such.

And I don't think Jen was offended necessarily by the term you used, she was offended by the filthy cages. A lot of folks were.....maybe we just are too sensitive in thinking that animals are more than just dollar signs, and deserve clean living conditions.

And eh, no comment about Allen "just marking" the animals hets, even though he didn't know which ones were and which ones weren't? You said you wanted to hear about any bad deals Allen made with hets.....I'd say selling animals that may or may not have been hets as hets is a pretty bad deal.....but then I guess that's still OK, cuz you got a good deal from ol Allen.

Cathy I have already once offered you an EXPENSE PAID visit and you refused. Why you, because you have a tremendous hard one for me so I would love to see your face and hear the words that would hence come from your mouth while I watch your remove your HUGE feet from your mouth. You have no idea what my facilities look like, nor how their cared for, nor my love for what I do. As for making money I do well, and if you think a business that does not stop to reflect on the finances and weigh what is an assest and what is not is healthy, Then your silly!
Let me try to explain it this way. I have a set of dumbbells in the garage and when I want to excersise I go and I excercise the hell out of them. But when I take time from my family, friends and hobbies for what I do everyday, You better believe that I am doing that for a profit!
Find me one person who has bought a het from me that has not proved out. Just one not a handful just one!
How many? Just 1
Why don't you start a new thread entitled HAS ANYONE BOUGHT A HET FROM BIG DADDY THAT HAS NOT PROVED OUT and give that one a bump every few days to keep it on top of fauna!
Allen Belcher

Originally Posted by big daddy's wholesal

Cathy I have already once offered you an EXPENSE PAID visit and you refused. Why you, because you have a tremendous hard one for me so I would love to see your face and hear the words that would hence come from your mouth while I watch your remove your HUGE feet from your mouth. You have no idea what my facilities look like, nor how their cared for, nor my love for what I do. As for making money I do well, and if you think a business that does not stop to reflect on the finances and weigh what is an assest and what is not is healthy, Then your silly!
Let me try to explain it this way. I have a set of dumbbells in the garage and when I want to excersise I go and I excercise the hell out of them. But when I take time from my family, friends and hobbies for what I do everyday, You better believe that I am doing that for a profit!
Find me one person who has bought a het from me that has not proved out. Just one not a handful just one!
How many? Just 1
Why don't you start a new thread entitled HAS ANYONE BOUGHT A HET FROM BIG DADDY THAT HAS NOT PROVED OUT and give that one a bump every few days to keep it on top of fauna!
Allen Belcher

Sorry, I'm not built that way.......girls don't get "hard ones". Perhaps your lack of anatomical knowledge would explain a lot, lol. I simply can't stand someone who mistreats their animals, and is a flat-out liar.

And of course there are monetary considerations to be made, but NOT at the expense of the animal's health and well being. If you care more about the money than the animals.....you don't deserve to be in this business. Nothing "silly" about it.

And I don't need to start a new thread, this one will do just fine. After all, you already admitted to marking animals for sale as hets when you didn't even know if they were normals or not. Here's a question..where all all of the people who HAVE proven hets from you? I don't see them jumping to come to your defense....not that it would matter, because we KNOW that you HAVE sold animals marked as hets that you don't even know if they were.

And visiting your facility today would prove NOTHING.

And.....I wear a size 7-7.5 shoe (depending on the style). That's not very big, really.

"Words that would hence come from your mouth"? That actually made me giggle.

Anyone who has said anything good about me in any post has been slamed. Heck even the people who have just have unbiased responses have been hung as well. Why would anyone want to stick their hand out if they know it will be slapped? I have to give you props on the guy/girl comment but with four kids I think I have that one fiqured out too. I took the het pieds that had been mixed with normals and about 10-15 and took only the ones with the markers and sold them as possible hets not hets. I lost my pants on that deal selling them for 50.00 each when I paid alot more for them. I even had Alan Bosch buy some of them at that show as he stated "you know these have the markers don't you"
As for what the trip here would prove..... That you have no idea of what you are speaking about!
But just not coming and continuing to run your mouth, Now that's an idea!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Originally Posted by big daddy's wholesal

I took the het pieds that had been mixed with normals and about 10-15 and took only the ones with the markers and sold them as possible hets not hets. I lost my pants on that deal selling them for 50.00 each when I paid alot more for them. I even had Alan Bosch buy some of them at that show as he stated "you know these have the markers don't you"
As for what the trip here would prove..... That you have no idea of what you are speaking about!
But just not coming and continuing to run your mouth, Now that's an idea!
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Allen, not to pick a fight but you do realize that isn't what you stated last time, don't you?

Originally Posted by big daddy's wholesal

took only the ones with the markers and sold them as possible hets not hets. I lost my pants on that deal selling them for 50.00 each when I paid alot more for them. I even had Alan Bosch buy some of them at that show as he stated "you know these have the markers don't you"

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Originally Posted by big daddy's wholesal

How did I know which ones? The ones that were pos. hets were bigger because they were about three months older than the normals.

Originally Posted by big daddy's wholesal

I went through and pulled four out of the tank that was marked feeding that I knew were in the pos. het container and put them back in the pos. het container where they belonged. How did I know which ones? The ones that were pos. hets were bigger because they were about three months older than the normals.

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Did you go back and pick out the bigger ones or the ones with markers?