Bob on Kingsnake (BAD GUY)

p00p! I was looking at his ads for the Rubbers as well. There goes that idea. Does ANYONE sell quality Rubber boas anymore!? I'm trying to build a colony and my male pulled a houdini act on me and I need another one and another unrelated pair to go with the 2 females I have and it has not been easy.

Originally Posted by jbt123

Do you think that the snake will even arrive today?

Seriously, should I accept the package, THEN report it? I dunno..I think that I would get in big trouble if I did that.

I really dont want to get in trouble for this. I did nothing wrong...

Justyne,

It would probably be better to accept the package because if not there is a chance the boa might not make it back to the sender alive (depending on temperatures during transit).

In those cases, I open the package in front of the USPS employee and immediately file a report. That also helps cover your own butt so that they can't ever try to say you were a voluntary party to the violation of federal regulations. I've warned people known to use USPS that this is my SOP when they break the law!

KJ

Originally Posted by John E Dove

I am not sure it is against the law to catch and sell in WA. Every state has their own laws in that regard. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject can enlighten us?

Yes, yes it is.

Actually, Washington state does not allow the take of ANY "live" wildlife in the state.

Well, a few exceptions.

WAC 232-12-064

Live wildlife.

Taking from the wild, importation, possession, transfer, holding in captivity.

(1) It is unlawful to take live wildlife (except unclassified marine invertebrates and fish), wild birds (except starlings, house sparrows and rock doves by falconers, and rock doves by bird dog trainers), or game fish from the wild without a permit provided for by rule of the commission and issued by the director.

(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of WAC 232-12-027(1), 232-12-067 and subsections (3) and (4) herein, it is unlawful to import into the state, hold, possess, propagate, offer for sale, sell, transfer, or release live specimens of wildlife listed in this subsection, their gametes and/or embryo, except as provided under subsections (7), (8), (9) or (10) below:

In the family Cervidae, all of the following species:


Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain elk Cervus elaphus
Mule deer and Black-tailed deer Odocoileus hemionus
White-tailed deer Odocoileus virginianus
Moose Alces alces
Caribou Rangifer tarandus caribou

(3) It is unlawful to import into the state or to hold live wildlife which were taken, held, possessed or transported contrary to federal or state law, local ordinance or department rule. Live wild animals, wild birds or game fish shall not be imported without first presenting to the department the health certificate required by the Washington state department of agriculture under WAC 16-54-030. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection, raptors used for falconry or propagation may be imported if the health certificate is in the possession of the importer. Proof of lawful importation must be produced for inspection on request of a department employee.

(4) It is unlawful to possess or hold in captivity live wild animals, wild birds, or game fish unless lawfully acquired and possessed. Proof of lawful acquisition and possession must be produced for inspection on request of a department employee. Such proof shall contain: (1) Species; (2) age and sex of animal; (3) origin of animal; (4) name of receiving party; (5) source-name and address; (6) invoice/statement date; and (7) documentation of prior transfers.

(5) Live wild animals, wild birds or game fish held in captivity or their progeny or parts thereof may not be sold or otherwise commercialized on except as provided by rule of the commission.

(6) No wildlife shall be released from captivity except as provided in WAC 232-12-271, except that it is lawful to return to the waters from which caught, game fish caught and subsequently kept alive on stringers, in live wells or other containers while fishing. The release of fish into any waters of the state, including private, natural or man-made ponds requires a fish planting permit.

(7) Scientific research or display: The director may authorize, by written approval, a person to import into the state, hold, possess and propagate live specimens of wildlife listed in subsection (2) for scientific research or for display by zoos or aquariums who are accredited institutional members of the American Association of Zoological Parks and Aquariums (AAZPA) provided:

(a) The specimens are confined to a secure facility,

(b) The specimens will not be transferred to any other location within the state, except to other AAZPA accredited facilities and transported by AAZPA accredited institutional members or their authorized agents with written approval of the director or as otherwise authorized in writing by the director,

(c) The specimens will not be sold or otherwise disposed of within the state without written approval of the director,

(d) The person will keep such records on the specimens and make such reports as the director may require, and

(e) The person complies with the other requirements of this section.

(8) Retention or disposal of existing specimens lawfully in captivity prior to June 20, 1992: A person holding live Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain elk, Mule Deer and Black-tailed deer, White-tailed deer and Moose may retain the specimens of such wildlife such person lawfully possessed prior to June 20, 1992 and the lawful progeny thereof provided such person complies with (a) through (f) of this subsection and the other requirements of this section.

(a) The person reported to the director in writing the species, number and location of the specimens as required.

(b) The specimens are confined to a secure facility at the location reported,

(c) Live specimens are not propagated except at AAZPA accredited facilities with the written permission of the director or as otherwise authorized in writing by the director;

(d) Live specimens are not released, except with written permission of the director,

(e) Live specimens are not sold or transferred except:

(i) Live specimens in lawful possession prior to June 20, 1992 and lawful progeny may be permanently removed from the state of Washington or transported directly to slaughter where in accordance with other applicable law,

(ii) Federally listed endangered or threatened species may be transferred to AAZPA accredited facilities where in compliance with federal law,

(iii) Live specimens may be moved to the new primary residence of the possessor with the written approval of the director, provided all other requirements of this section are satisfied and the total number of locations where animals are held is not increased;

(iv) AAZPA facilities may sell and/or transfer live specimens within the state with the written permission of the director.

(f) Live specimens shall be neutered, physically separated by sex, and/or rendered infertile by means of contraception, except at AAZPA accredited facilities with the written permission of the director.

(9) Retention or disposal of existing specimens lawfully in captivity prior to February 13, 1993: A person holding live specimens of wildlife newly listed in subsection (2) by operation of this rule [Caribou (Rangifer tarandus caribou)], may retain the specimens of such wildlife the person lawfully possessed prior to February 13, 1993, provided:

(a) The person reports to the director in writing by March 31, 1993, and reports annually thereafter, or as otherwise required by the director, the species, number, and location of such specimens,

(b) The person complies with subsections (8)(b) through (8)(f) herein and the other requirements of this section.

(10) The provisions of this section shall not prohibit the importation, possession, propagation, sale, transfer, or release of live specimens of federally listed threatened or endangered species, their gametes and/or embryo, where in compliance with federal law.

(11) Escaped wildlife:

(a) Escaped wildlife will be considered a public nuisance. The department or any peace officer may seize, capture, or destroy wildlife that have escaped the possessor's control. The former possessor shall be responsible for costs incurred by the department in recovering, maintaining, or disposing of such animals, as well as any damage to the state's wildlife or habitat.

(b) Escapes of wildlife must be reported immediately to the department,

(c) The recapture or death of escaped wildlife must be reported immediately to the department.

(12) Secure facility:

(a) All captive wildlife will be held in a secure facility. For the purpose of this rule, a secure facility is an enclosure so constructed as to prevent danger to the environment or wildlife of the state, including escape of live wildlife specimens in captivity or ingress of resident wildlife ungulates (hoofed animals).

(b) For wildlife listed in subsection (2), the secure facility must comply with the fencing requirements in subsection (13) herein.

(13) Fencing requirements

(a) Perimeter fences must be, at a minimum, eight feet above ground level for their entire length. The bottom six feet must be mesh of sufficient size to prevent resident wildlife ungulates (hoofed animals) from entering and captive wildlife from escaping. Supplemental wire required to attain a height of eight feet may be smooth, barbed, or woven wire (at least 12-1/2 gauge) with strands spaced not more than six inches apart.

(b) Perimeter fences constructed of high tensile wire must be supported by a post or stay at minimum intervals of eight feet.

(c) Perimeter fences must be at least 12-1/2 gauge woven wire, 14-1/2 gauge high-tensile woven wire, chain link, non-climbable woven fence, or other fence approved by the director.

If the wire used is not a full eight feet in height, it must be overlapped one row and securely fastened at every other vertical row or woven together with cable.

(d) Electric fencing materials may be used on perimeter fences only as a supplement to conventional fencing materials.

(e) All gates in the perimeter fences must be self-closing, equipped with two locking devices, and installed only in locations that have been approved by the director. Double gates may be required at points in the perimeter fences subject to frequent vehicle traffic that is not related to activities involving the holding of captive wildlife.

(f) Posts used in the perimeter fences must be:

(i) Wood (pressure treated), five-inch minimum diameter or an equivalent as approved by the director;

(ii) Spaced no more than twenty-four feet apart with stays or supports at eight foot intervals between the posts;

(iii) Extended at least eight feet above ground level;

(iv) Corners braced with wood or with an equivalent material as approved by the director.

(g) Fences must be maintained at all times to prevent captive wildlife from escaping or resident wildlife ungulates (hoofed animals) from entering the enclosure. If such animals do pass through, under, or over the fence because of any topographic feature or other conditions, the person possessing wildlife must immediately supplement the fence to prevent continued passage.

(h) For any fence existing prior to February 13, 1993, a person may petition the director in writing for a variance from the above fencing requirements. Any such petition must be filed no later than May 31, 1993 and must identify all aspects in which the existing fence does not meet the fencing requirements contained herein. On approval of the director, such person may maintain such existing fence with normal repair. However, any extension or relocation of existing fence must meet the fencing requirements contained herein.

(14) Marking requirements

(a) All live specimens of wildlife identified in subsection (2) must be individually identified by the methods specified below:

(i) All live specimens of such wildlife shall be marked with USDA official ear tags or with ear tags supplied or approved by the department. Tags shall be applied in sequential order, and

(ii) All live specimens of such wildlife shall be marked with a tattoo with an identifying number that has been recorded with the director. The tattoo must be placed on the left ear of the animal.

(b) Identification assigned to an individual animal may not be transferred to any other animal.

(c) Where allowed, all lawful progeny of wildlife identified in subsection (2) must be tagged and tattooed by December 31 of the year of birth or upon leaving the holding facility, whichever is earlier.

(d) Where allowed, if wildlife identified in subsection (2) is sold or transferred within the state, the tag and tattoo must accompany the animal. The new owner or possessor shall not renumber the animal.

(e) Where allowed, live specimens of wildlife identified in subsection (2) shall be marked prior to importation.

(f) No unmarked wildlife identified in subsection (2) may be sold or otherwise transferred from the holding facility.

(15) Testing of specimens.

(a) Where allowed, prior to entry into the state of Washington, persons importing any member of the Genus Cervus which is identified in subsection (2) herein, must submit records of genetic tests, conducted by a professionally recognized laboratory to identify red deer genetic influence (genetic material from any member of any subspecies, race, or species of the elk-red deer-wapiti complex Cervus elaphus not indigenous to the state of Washington. Such testing shall be at the possessor's expense. Animals which are deemed by department of wildlife biologists upon examination to exhibit either: Behavioral (vocalization), morphological (size, rump patch, color) or biochemical indications of such influence (hemoglobin, superoxide dismutase, transferrin and post-transferrin, or others to be developed) may not be imported.

(b) A person currently holding any member of the genus Cervus elaphus identified in subsection (2) herein must submit records of genetic tests, conducted by a professionally recognized laboratory to identify red deer genetic influence (genetic material from any member of any subspecies, race, or species of the elk-red deer-wapiti complex Cervus elaphus not indigenous to the state of Washington), for each individual cervid to the director within 90 days of passage of this rule. Such testing shall be at the possessor's expense. Any animals identified as red deer or having nonindigenous genetic influence must be destroyed, removed from the state, or neutered within 180 days of passage of this rule.

(c) The director may require that specimens listed in subsection (2) lawfully in captivity be tested for brucellosis (brucella abortus), tuberculosis (mycobacterium bovis and mycobacterium tuberculosis), meningeal worm (Paralophostrongylus tenuis), and muscle worm (Elaphostrongylus cervis) in accordance with the procedures specified in department of agriculture WAC 16-54-035 as now or hereafter amended, and/or for other diseases or parasites determined to pose a risk to wildlife. The results of such tests shall be filed with the director as required.

(16) Reporting

(a) A person holding wildlife listed in subsection (2) in captivity shall submit a completed report no later than March 30, 1993 and then no later than January 31 of each year, or as otherwise required by the director, on a form provided by the department.

(b) Persons possessing wildlife listed in subsection (2) must notify the director within ten days of any change of such persons' address and/or location of the holding facility.

(17) Inspection

(a) All holding facilities for captive wildlife located in the state are subject to inspection for compliance with the provisions of this section.

(b) Such inspections may take place without warrant or prior notice but shall be conducted at reasonable times and locations.

(18) Notification and disposition of diseased animals.

(a) Any person who has reason to believe that wildlife being held pursuant to this rule have or have been exposed to a dangerous or communicable disease or parasite shall notify the department immediately.

(b) Upon having reason to believe that wildlife held pursuant to this rule have been exposed to or contracted a dangerous or contagious disease or parasite, the director may order inspection of such animals by a licensed, accredited veterinarian, certified fish pathologist, or inspection agent. Inspection shall be at the expense of the possessor.

(c) The director shall determine when destruction of wildlife, quarantine, disinfection, or sterilization of facilities is required at any facility holding wildlife pursuant to this rule. If the director determines that destruction of wildlife, quarantine, disinfection, or sterilization of facilities is required, a written order shall be issued to the possessor describing the procedure to be followed and the time period for carrying out such actions. Such activities shall be at the expense of the possessor.

(19) Quarantine area

(a) Any facility holding wildlife listed in subsection (2) must have an approved quarantine facility within its exterior boundary or submit an action plan to the director that guarantees access to an approved quarantine facility within the state of Washington.

(i) An approved quarantine facility is one that meets criteria set by the Washington state department of agriculture.

(ii) The quarantine area must meet the tests of isolation, separate feed and water, escape security, and allowances for the humane holding and care of its occupants for extended periods of time.

(b) Should the imposition of a quarantine become necessary, the possessor of any wildlife must provide an on-site quarantine facility or make arrangements at such possessor's expense to transport such wildlife to an approved quarantine facility.

(20) Seizure

(a) The department of wildlife may seize any unlawfully possessed wildlife.

(b) The cost of any seizure and/or holding of wildlife may be charged to the possessor of such animals.

WAC 232-12-027
Game farm license provisions

Game farm license provisions.

It is unlawful to operate a game farm without a current, valid Washington state game farm license.

(1) Game farms licensed prior to January 1, 1992, may continue to possess, propagate, sell and transfer wildlife they lawfully possessed on January 1, 1992, under their license issued by the department. Transfers of wildlife other than those species listed under subsection (2) are restricted to licensed game farms authorized by written license to possess said wildlife.

(2) Game farms licensed on or after January 1, 1992, may purchase, possess, propagate, sell or transfer the following wildlife:

(a) Game birds - pheasant, of the genus Phasianus; gray partridge of the genus Perdix; chukar of the genus Alectoris; quail of the genus Colinus, Callipepla, and Oreortyx; waterfowl of the family Anatidae.

(3) Application for a game farm license shall be made on a form provided by the department.

(4) The director or designee of the director may issue, with conditions or restrictions, a game farm license, if the applicant meets the requirements of subsection (1) or (2) above and complies with the following criteria:

(a) The applicant is the owner or tenant of or has a possessory interest in the lands, waters, and riparian rights shown in the application.

(b) The rearing and holding facilities are adequate and structurally sound to prevent the egress of game farm wildlife.

(c) Operating conditions are clean and humane.

(d) No hazards to state wildlife exist from the operation.

(e) The license covers only the immediate premises and areas described on the application where wildlife will be held.

(5) Holders of a game farm license must make annual reports no later than the 15th of January to the director on forms to be furnished by the department. Violation of this subsection is an infraction, punishable under RCW 77.15.160.

(6) A licensed game farm must be inspected annually. All inspection costs will be paid by the licensee. The inspection must occur during the months of June, July, or August. An inspection form will be provided by the department and must be completed and signed by a licensed veterinarian or an agent authorized by the department. The inspection form must accompany the annual report and be submitted to the director no later than the 15th day of January.

(7) During June, July, or August, a licensed game farm must conduct annual avian influenza disease testing of ten percent or a maximum of thirty representative game birds on-site. Testing required under this subsection and subsection (8) of this section must be performed by a qualified testing agent approved by WDFW. Testing is not required for the year in which all birds on-site were transferred from a game farm that has complied with the testing requirements of this rule within one year of the transfer. Copies of testing records must be kept for one year. The licensee is responsible for all testing costs. Any test results indicating the presence of avian influenza disease must be reported immediately to the Washington state department of agriculture state veterinarian.

(8) If birds being held on the game farm exhibit symptoms of respiratory infection, diarrhea, central nervous system malfunction, or more than twenty-five percent flock mortality, licensed game farms must test for one or more of the following diseases as soon as possible upon the observation of symptoms: Mycoplasm gallisepticum and Mycoplasm synoviae, pullorum, salmonella, histomoniasis, and exotic Newcastle disease. The licensee is responsible for all testing costs.

(9) A game farm license is not required for captive-bred mink, Mustela vison, and captive-bred silver fox, Vulpes fulva, lawfully acquired from a licensed breeder or fur farm and held for fur farming purposes.

Propagation permits cover

A person may hold, possess and propagate the following wildlife for scientific research or for display by zoos or aquariums with a valid permit: Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain elk, Mule deer, Black-tailed deer, White-tailed deer, moose and caribou.

Here's a pic of the packaging, inside and out, with temps.

And pics of his KS AD, incase he deletes it.

I am currently in contact with a VERY good breeder, I bought two girls from him. I think he's going to have more males later on this summer, you want me to ask him if its ok to give you his email so you can contact him about it?

I can't figure out the locality of this guy...they all look the same to me, anyone good at IDing localities in rubber boas on here?

Here's the temps...they were actually spot-on, perfect temps to ship a rubber, but the improper way of shipping one!!><;

woops...

That would be oustanding Justyne, thank you!!