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04-30-2008, 07:18 PM
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It looks to me, like someone took a large financial hit, and is trying to recoup some of the funds lost. I think by not taking a few years to make SURE all is ok in your collection and in your snake's offspring, your name in the years to come might be one to avoid. People who sell snakes they purchased from you, or offspring that in a round about way came from you, are not going to get my business. I mean this in the same way people who bought "Hets" from CRE, Eisenmann, etc., cannot unload their snakes.
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04-30-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by David Reid
I think by not taking a few years to make SURE all is ok in your collection and in your snake's offspring, your name in the years to come might be one to avoid.
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My thoughts exactly - A few years would be in order to make sure all is well again - This is Waaay too soon - At this point, if one person should lose an animal or collection, that came from you - you would be finished...
Relax and take your time, till things are Proven to be all well.
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04-30-2008, 08:03 PM
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#23
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Points taken. Thank you.
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04-30-2008, 08:13 PM
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Jen,
Try and think of it this way.
Someone buys one of your mojaves or one of your other animals, and on the off chance it dies or one of their other animals becomes sick, right away you will be the most likely suspect for the problem.
Like I said before, I like you but I think this could really damage your ability to sell anything, no matter how remote, if something ever happened to one of the babies you sold or a buyers other animals this soon after the scenario you just went thru.
Vets have been wrong in the past. It happens. Maybe your vet is 100% correct and there is no problem but remember perception means everything.
You do not want to be perceived as someone who is just selling off animals to recoup some of your loss. Look at this thread. That perception has already been brought forward and it could come back to bite you.
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04-30-2008, 10:50 PM
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Sorry - IMO it was irresponsible to even incubate those eggs let alone sell them.
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04-30-2008, 10:51 PM
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Not when 3 separate vets in 3 separate states told me it was just fine to keep them.
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05-01-2008, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JenHarrison
Not when 3 separate vets in 3 separate states told me it was just fine to keep them.
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Oh - are these the same vets that have no real clue whats going on - or did you get new ones
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05-01-2008, 11:09 AM
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Tosha, I don't know where you've been the past few months, but they are the same vets that have been doing all the lab work, necropsies, and testing. Not the original cat/dog vet I had to go to in the very beginning days. Dr. Mark Gordon (Exotics and Reptile Specialist), Dr. Elliot Jacobsen (leading veterinary researcher for reptiles and exotics at the University of Florida -- and the top OPMV researcher that did all the ground work on the virus for the past 30 years), and Dr. Jason Brodnik (reptile specialist, also Wyatt's other victim).
Also, my females were bred way back in September and the very beginning of October -- back when it was still considered to be a routine RI and hadn't spread past the initial 2 animals. They only copulated 1-2 times each, and I stopped all breeding the minute we learned it was a more serious issue and potentially viral. Therefore none of them could have passed it back and forth. The females that I had left went on to ovulate in January/February anyway -- not much I could do to stop that. I asked repeatedly to my vet team if the eggs would be OK or if they needed to be discarded -- and they told me the same answer every time; that the babies would be just fine.
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05-01-2008, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JenHarrison
Robert, the answers to all of that are already posted in the ad, on my journal, and in Wyatt's thread. We know what this virus is -- we originally were a little unsure because of test results, but that was until we got more information about how the antibodies actually develop. Now there is no more question as to what it is.
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I have read your website and blog and am curious about something. Your update on 4/12 says:
"Elliot e-mailed him mentioning a myovirus? That is something new that Dr. Gordon hasn’t heard of yet, so he needs to research it, but as of right now he feels that Elliot is withholding info until he finds out more, because as a researcher he wants to be the one to stake the claim on the discovery. He says this is definitely a new virus, so we have a lot of work ahead of us yet."
The next day you update with information from the other vet/victim stating his theories of why your test results came back the way they did and that HE says it is okay to go ahead with breeding, etc.
Have you followed up with Dr. Jacobsen? In my opinion, if the expert on this subject believes "this is definitely a new virus" there should be some serious follow up to find out exactly what you are dealing with and the consequences before selling (less than a month after posting this information on your site/blog).
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05-01-2008, 11:34 AM
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That's the first person Dr. Gordon and I called after what Jason mentioned. He agreed, which is why we made the decisions we did.
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