Info DLibby, Sam Sundberg, and Backwater reptiles - FaunaClassifieds
FaunaClassifieds  
 Sponsors »  Breeders | Dealers |  Importers/Exporters | Caging | Feed | Supplies | Services | Events 
  Inside FaunaClassifieds » Product Reviews |  Classifieds!   | Photo Gallery   | Banner Advertising 
 
  Want to help keep this site alive? Click here.

Go Back   FaunaClassifieds > Reptile & Amphibian - Business Forums > Board of Inquiry®

Notices

Board of Inquiry® This forum is provided exclusively for the discussion of specific persons or businesses in the herp industry. On 02-02-2020 the BOI will be deleted.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-30-2019, 12:56 PM   #1
NathanKS
DLibby, Sam Sundberg, and Backwater reptiles

This is mostly to serve as a warning for now but will likely turn into a bad guy thread.

user Dlibbysent me money on april 1st and picked up in person 15 laotriton from me on april 2nd. He recently filed a PayPal claim on 6/27 (88 days later) claiming they were not as described and wanting a refund.

His username here is DLibby and his name is David Libby, but that is not the onlyinformation he contacts you with or uses.

He also uses the name "Sam Sundberg" and the email's greentreefrogger@gmail.com and sundberg.sam@gmail.com

sundberg.sam@gmail.com is the PayPal name used.

I find the connection to sam sundberg to be interesting. Sam sundberg lives about 20 miles from me in Rocklin CA and owns backwater reptiles.

http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Bac...C-916-847-2887

His picture on the backwater website, also looks remarkably like if not exactly like the guy that picked up the laotriton from me in Rocklin CA.
https://www.backwaterreptiles.com/ab...-reptiles.html
 
Old 06-30-2019, 01:01 PM   #2
NathanKS
I forgot to mention, I know sam lives in rocklin because I previously worked for Aqua life aquarium which had a store three doors down from sam's chameleons off taylor road. I also worked for Steve Sykes of GeckosETC, which sold geckos to backwater and were picked up in person.
 
Old 06-30-2019, 01:08 PM   #3
NathanKS
Working on attachments now
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Screen Shot 2019-06-30 at 10.03.15.jpg (132.3 KB, 319 views)
File Type: jpg Screen Shot 2019-06-30 at 10.03.28.jpg (94.5 KB, 315 views)
File Type: jpg Screen Shot 2019-06-30 at 10.03.47.jpg (167.3 KB, 316 views)
 
Old 06-30-2019, 02:09 PM   #4
Socratic Monologue
Nathan, what was the name and address on the PP payment? That might help track down who this really is.
 
Old 06-30-2019, 02:13 PM   #5
Socratic Monologue
Though I've never been through this, Paypal buyer protection officially does not cover items bought in person:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...y-and-security
Based on what you said above, the only interaction online was to arrange the meeting between you and the buyer; the actual sale occurred at the time the animals changed hands.
 
Old 06-30-2019, 02:28 PM   #6
Socratic Monologue
Here's a thread that shows that Sam Sundberg, owner of Backwater Reptiles, has engaged in questionable behavior using a pseudonym in the past:

http://arachnoboards.com/threads/cre...ptiles.220242/

Oh...and here, where Sam is speaking as 'MichelleR' (post #72 is where Sam gets busted):

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=278503&page=8

"David Libby" has also used the email libby.david@mail.com:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=630302
 
Old 07-01-2019, 03:06 PM   #7
NathanKS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socratic Monologue View Post
Nathan, what was the name and address on the PP payment? That might help track down who this really is.
Sam Sundberg
Sundberg.sam@gmail.com

He filed an official claim today

Quote:
Originally Posted by Socratic Monologue View Post
Though I've never been through this, Paypal buyer protection officially does not cover items bought in person:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...y-and-security
Based on what you said above, the only interaction online was to arrange the meeting between you and the buyer; the actual sale occurred at the time the animals changed hands.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The items were purchased on 4/1/19 via a PayPal transaction. At that time we were still discussing shipping and eventually decided to meet the next day at a FedEx regional Hub when we realized it would have been shipped/received at the same building.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Socratic Monologue View Post
Here's a thread that shows that Sam Sundberg, owner of Backwater Reptiles, has engaged in questionable behavior using a pseudonym in the past:

http://arachnoboards.com/threads/cre...ptiles.220242/

Oh...and here, where Sam is speaking as 'MichelleR' (post #72 is where Sam gets busted):

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=278503&page=8

"David Libby" has also used the email libby.david@mail.com:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=630302

libby.david@mail.com is undeliverable.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 03:51 PM   #8
Socratic Monologue
I guess when I first asked for "Sam"'s name and address -- I meant street address -- I was concerned that someone (Dlibby) might be impersonating someone else (presumably you used PP 'goods and services', so there would've been a physical address listed that could be used to confirm that the person at issue is in fact Sam Sundberg). That has happened here before -- a relative nobody impersonating someone well-known.

After not much research at all, though, I realized that there is no reason to doubt that Sam Sundberg is indeed the person who you dealt with, and who is attempting to scam you.

I'm not certain about all the official wording in PP's buyer protection. Is a package that is transferred by hand covered under that protection? It might be worth looking into, whether searching PP's website or contacting PP directly to ask.

Certainly the fact that the claim is made so long after the transaction, coupled with Sam's primary allegation about the size of the animals (which could've been dealt with at delivery), should be enough to defend against Sam's completely fictitious complaint, but every angle might well be pursued just in case.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 03:56 PM   #9
Socratic Monologue
Perhaps this is obvious, but: the fact that Sam has impersonated other people online in the past should be presented to PP in explaining that Sam is simply trying to scam you.
 
Old 07-02-2019, 10:49 PM   #10
NathanKS
Thanks for all the help John, PayPal resolved the dispute in my favor, and I don’t foresee this going further.
 

Join now to reply to this thread or open new ones for your questions & comments! FaunaClassifieds.com is the largest online community about Reptile & Amphibians, Snakes, Lizards and number one classifieds service with thousands of ads to look for. Registration is open to everyone and FREE. Click Here to Register!

 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Backwater reptiles mudpuppy49 Board of Inquiry® 30 07-18-2016 11:17 AM
Backwater reptiles? rsellers44 Board of Inquiry® 12 07-18-2013 10:27 AM
Backwater Reptiles Jessica29 Board of Inquiry® 97 07-17-2013 05:40 PM
Backwater Reptiles YANKFANTHOM Board of Inquiry® 18 03-19-2012 12:58 AM
Backwater reptiles Tbone21 Board of Inquiry® 3 10-13-2011 03:22 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:28 PM.




Ebates Coupons and Cash Back



TESTING!
Fauna Top Sites


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Page generated in 0.07625389 seconds with 11 queries
Content copyrighted ©2002-2018, FaunaClassifieds, LLC