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Old 03-02-2020, 03:42 AM   #141
I'm not sure if this is a third case, or it is referring to one of the two mentioned above.

Coronavirus reported at Sarasota hospital

Old 03-02-2020, 03:28 PM   #142
Six people have now died in Washington state from coronavirus
Old 03-02-2020, 08:51 PM   #143
Originally Posted by WebSlave View Post
I'm guessing that would include wearing gloves when you open your mail, and disposing of the mail after reading it. And not buying groceries for a while unless you wash everything.
Old 03-02-2020, 11:01 PM   #144
Originally Posted by WebSlave View Post
I'm not sure if this is a third case, or it is referring to one of the two mentioned above.

Coronavirus reported at Sarasota hospital

Wait until the authorities find someone who tests positive who spent a full day at Disney a few days before the test...
Old 03-02-2020, 11:19 PM   #145
Originally Posted by bcr229 View Post
Wait until the authorities find someone who tests positive who spent a full day at Disney a few days before the test...
I would suspect that is coming, but I doubt we will hear about that at all.

"Would everyone who has been to DisneyWorld from 02/28 to today please stay in your homes for 14 days quarantined from all other persons!"

Disney World alone has an average visitor count of up to 53,000 according to a 2015 survey. And 2014 also saw a record average number of visitors in a single day of 52,946.
Old 03-02-2020, 11:36 PM   #146
Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
I'm guessing that would include wearing gloves when you open your mail, and disposing of the mail after reading it. And not buying groceries for a while unless you wash everything.
Yeah, we are putting the mail in a box and setting it in the old reptile building for a few days. And once we are on lockdown, getting groceries will likely be pretty rare, and only if absolutely necessary. And even then, anything purchased will have to itself be put in quarantine for a week or so. We have already decided to avoid buying anything that is not sealed against customers handling the produce unless it is to be cooked. I love eating grapes, and Connie loves apples, but neither is on the grocery list any longer.

Push come to shove, there really isn't any realistic way to effectively 100% avoid contamination if it is widespread in the environment. But since Connie and I rarely get sick, we think we may be able to avoid this too, if we are careful and lucky.

That being said, I was strongly considering us going into lockdown this week, after hearing about the confirmed infections near Tampa, but a snag showed up today. Connie had to run to the dentist office, and found out that she has to have some bridge work done. She saw what looked like a crack, but it turned out to be a complete separation. So it looks like this may take 3 to 4 weeks to complete. Ah well, best laid plans, and all that....

I am not at all keen about the idea of the dentist putting his gloved fingers in her mouth to do the work needed. Especially with a pandemic going on. But if she doesn't have to work done, she could lose her anchor teeth and then have real problems to have to deal with. A sort of damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

All we can do is hope that this coronovirus infection doesn't blow wide open around here in the meantime. Otherwise the prep stocking up for a lockdown we have been doing could all be for nothing.

Damn I hate Murphy's Law...

On the bright side, maybe this is God's way of telling me that it is too early for the lockdown. Being too early could be just as bad as being too late. Because if we started lockdown way too early, and ran out of supplies while the pandemic was right at it's peak, well, that would be awkward.
Old 03-05-2020, 12:10 AM   #147
Autopsies offer key clues for early stage COVID-19 patients

By Leng Shumei and Zhao Yusha Source:Global Times Published: 2020/2/29 0:33:48

Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients' lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease.

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

Peng said he had just talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu's team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

"The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients' lungs from irreversible fibrosis," Peng noted.

If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

Liu's team published a paper on an autopsy they conducted in the Journal of Forensic Medicine on Tuesday.

The paper said there was apparent damage to the patient's lungs. An excess production of mucus spilled out of the alveoli, indicating COVID-19 causes an inflammation response that damages deep airways and pulmonary alveoli.

The patient, an 85-year-old man, exhibited similar pathological changes to those caused by SARS and MERS. Fibrosis in his lungs was not as serious as was seen in SARS patients, but an exudative reaction was more apparent, possibly due to the short course of his disease.

News about the paper went viral on Chinese social media platforms on Friday.

Some news reports said that Liu's team's autopsies showed that sputum bolt is one the main reasons that caused COVID-19 patients' deaths. Some medical staff have used sputum aspirators for patients based on the results, which led to a decline by half in the number of deaths in Wuhan on Wednesday.

The National Health Commission (NHC) said Wuhan reported 42 deaths on Tuesday and 19 on Wednesday.

However, Peng doubted the reports, saying that he believes the decline was due to the improving situation and shrinking patients pool.

"Even if the autopsy results are helpful, the effectiveness would not come out so quickly. It takes at least one week to observe," Peng said.

He warned that the number of deaths may rebound as he knows many critical patients in Wuhan have held out for one month but are still in danger and could die anytime.

There were 6,775 critical patients in Wuhan as of Thursday and the number of deaths Wuhan authority reported on Thursday was 28, according to NHC.

The patient mentioned in the paper was hospitalized in January for a cerebral infraction, the death of tissue in the brain resulting from inadequate blood supply. He was confirmed to be infected with novel coronavirus 13 days later and died after a further 15 days. The autopsy was conducted within 12 hours of his death.

No apparent pathological changes were found in his digestive system, spleen or brain, the report said.

Liu's team conducted the first on February 16, about a month after the outbreak.

Liu previously told media that he and his team had proposed to the Wuhan government to conduct autopsies soon after the outbreak.

The government and local hospitals agreed on the necessity of autopsies but could not provide proper locations. They also worried about risks of viral transmission during such autopsies.

Yang Zhanqiu, deputy director of the pathogen biology department at Wuhan University, explained that preparation and risk evaluation of the autopsy of COVID-19 patients is crucial, as it may cause containment of the hospital or medical members.

Also, Chinese traditional thoughts of preserving the body of the deceased may hinder the autopsy process, which requires family consent, Yang told the Global Times.
Old 03-05-2020, 04:42 PM   #148
Coronavirus has mutated at least once into two strains

Scientists believe there are at least two different strains of the COVID-19 virus causing illnesses.
Old 03-05-2020, 08:20 PM   #149
Three confirmed infections and 10 suspected near Houston.

Florida has 2 confirmed in Hillsborough County near Tampa, 1 in Sarasota, and a fourth in Pensacola.

Remember the good old days when the USA only had 15 cases? Now we are up to 230 confirmed cases nationwide.

On a brighter side here, I contacted the dentist's office and got Connie's appt moved up from the 19th to tomorrow (Friday). So hopefully they can get the replacement bridge done and back in under 2 weeks and HOPEFULLY before things get really hairy around here. Connie is prepared that if in two weeks things are looking grim locally, she will not go to the dentist for that bridgework until things have begun to look better. Or we catch it anyway, and then it won't really matter much. Not sure how happy the dentist office will be about that, but that's just going to have to be the way it is. At least with the old damaged bridge out, it won't damage her anchor teeth.

Quite frankly, we would be on lockdown right now otherwise. This thing is moving VERY quickly and things would likely be looking a lot worse if the USA had been testing for it all along. So we really don't know how widespread it is at the moment. Thanks bunches, CDC.
Old 03-05-2020, 08:57 PM   #150
This is shocking:

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