What would you do if you got sent IBD?

April,

Thanks for the info. By the way very useful web page.

Daniel

I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them..I have no idea what your talking about...it's not me I'm worried about...Cagle told me him self that one of the snakes he bought from the same dealer at the same show was in his breeding room already....breeding(lets see the show was in Dec. does that sound like oh...2 months)...he thought would make me feel better...now you tell me who has bad husbandry. He shipped both of them to me in the same beat up box....does that sound like they were quarantined before I got them....
What about the person who has the third one out of the trio...you think Bill Cagle called them and warned them that the snake is highly caring IBD.....

I already registered...I could not go back and change it...ding dong why would I use the same first name...Ritchie I just sent you the IBD report....there is your proof

Yes I got the copies.  They look legit.  We are now cool on that
When did you recieve your snakes?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cagle told me him self that one of the snakes he bought from the same dealer at the same show was in his breeding room already....breeding(lets see the show was in Dec. does that sound like oh...2 months)...he thought would make me feel better...now you tell me who has bad husbandry</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

YES. Two months is an acceptable time frame to some. &nbsp;It is with me.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He shipped both of them to me in the same beat up box....does that sound like they were quarantined before I got them....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Okay what does that have to do with quarantine procedures? &nbsp;They came from the same person at the same show. &nbsp;They can be shipped in the same box. &nbsp;I have shipped five snakes in the same box before. &nbsp;What does that have to do with quarantine procedures.

The answer to your question of what would I do if someone sent me IBD.
I would ask that someone to send me Replacement snakes...end of story. &nbsp;IBD happens. &nbsp;It was not his fault. &nbsp;But I would definately ask him to replace the sick snakes. &nbsp;You cam e on here practically stating that he sent it to you knowing it had IBD,.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not only that the boxes he shipped in were old and beat up with six other labels on them...that can't be clean..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Go ahead and ask how many people reuse their boxes. &nbsp;I know I do. &nbsp;If a snake got shipped in a certain box and it proved to be sick....I would then throw away that box. &nbsp;Or I would spray it down real good with VIRAHOL. &nbsp;hospital grade antivirus.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">O.k. &nbsp;so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

So how did you quarantine them....by brining all three to the vet. &nbsp;Probably all in the same bag or box.

"O.k. &nbsp;so the snake gets here and it looks fine....so I bring all three of them to the vet. The First one(male from the pair) probed out to be a female and looked ok but very thin.
The second(the one sent for replacement)....look great the vet said.....ok now the third one(the sickest one)..."
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"I quarantined the two snakes..I never exposed the new ones to them..I have no idea what your talking about"
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So um which is it ? You brought them to the clinic together or let me guess you used 2 seperate cars, different exam rooms changed your clothes in between etc ?

Simply put Bill had a less than perfect deal with you, did he make it right, lets see you paid for 2 imperfect snakes and now have 3 adult snakes 2 exceptional specimens and you are still complaining and wanting more <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;I have no doubt you got the tests done and if it was IBD than yes Bill needs to let the other buyer know of the situation. &nbsp;The Board of Inquiry is a place to post about people with BAD dealings and in this case Bill seems to have made the deal good as quickly as he was able to...what more do you want <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

Chris,
I am sorry, I am not going to get AS INVOLVED as I did on the boa forum, but I do have a question.
On the boa forum you said you wantd him to cover anything you lose in the next 2 years. &nbsp;A little much, but that is what you asked. &nbsp;With that said, you stated here that your snakes were never around your other snakes. &nbsp;If that is the case, why have you brought up how many snakes you own (20 you said) and why would he have to cover anythig that dies for 2 years?
Just curious.
Brian Oakley

I brought them in bags...not the best way but all I had.
OK...the 2 year plan was a little crazy to ask for..he told me that if his snakes come down with IBD because of the other dealer that he would burn the other guys &nbsp;place down...so he knows it sucks I promise he is thinking about right now.. Cagle had been avoiding me...so I post and the next morning 8 a.m. he called ready to deal but he also told me he wanted to hire a P.I. find me and get a ticket to Houston...after much BS...he agred to send the money plus vet. bills if posted the whole truth I found out...he was mad at the party he bought from.. so anyway he just never pay-paled the money...he even told me he was going to send me heat packs and to just kill the sick one

sorry that did not type out right..Let me rephrase that...those were things he said he wanted to do...and he was telling me just to be honest. They were not treats...just points to express his anger..

I think I've been scammed! In December I sent a beautiful Brazilian Rainbow to someone named Chris who claimed it was DOA. I was stunned because I had taken every possible precaution using two heatpacks in a highly insulated box and have never had any problems prior to this. The person stated that the snake was ice cold and stunk very badly. Mind you it took him 45 minutes to e-mail me to tell me the snake didn't make it after receiving it. I asked him to take a picture of it and he claimed he could only use his webcam and the snake stunk so badly his wife wouldn't let him bring it in the house. I then instructed him to put the snake in a ziplock bag so he could take a pic of it. I received a few pics which my girlfriend thought were very suspicious since the quality was so poor and it seemed the snake was being held in an odd position against its will. In other words it appeared it was still alive trying to right itself and being posed to look like it was dead. He told me the Rainbow was his Christmas present to his wife and she was looking forward to getting it so much and so on. I did what I felt I had to do and that was to immediately send him a replacement snake. All went well the second time around but I always thought that there must be scammers out there that get tons of free snakes in this manner. To me this situation with the Surinames where Chris expects Bill Cagle to be responsible for his whole collection if things go awry sounds like this type of individual. I don't know if this is the same person and the changing the last name thing sounds like he doesn't want people who've been scammed by him to recognize a pattern of ripoffs. I hope I'm wrong and if I am I'm sorry.

what was the guys last name and e-mail...is it the same person as this guy?


Hey Chris....if you practiced good quarantine procedures like you said you did.....why would he need to replace your whole collection? &nbsp;It has not even been a month......Your snakes should not have absolutley any contact with the sick ones