BEWARE OF PIJAC!!!!

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

Who is the "big breeders" market?
Small time hobby breeders.
Who will buy the high end morphs? Petco and Petsmart? They barely sell their normals. Small pet stores? They MIGHT have a pastel in, but rarely move anything but normals.
I can't see the big breeders cutting their own throat. Whatever else they may be, they are busnessmen(women), and would not cut off the main source of buyers!

It was really just a Brain Fart....The real point was to show that there would be motive for them to control the market and I think it could be done without them suffering too much in the beginning. Do I think this is honestly the case? No, do I know for sure it isn't No.

But my point was that there would be NO market for most of their snakes, if they have no small breeders to buy their stock. It wouldn't be "in the beginning", it would be "the end", unless they want to produce nothing but cheap normals.

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

But my point was that there would be NO market for most of their snakes, if they have no small breeders to buy their stock. It wouldn't be "in the beginning", it would be "the end", unless they want to produce nothing but cheap normals.

Do you know pastel males still go for 4-5 hundred in germany? No market? OK..

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

But my point was that there would be NO market for most of their snakes, if they have no small breeders to buy their stock. It wouldn't be "in the beginning", it would be "the end", unless they want to produce nothing but cheap normals.

That's exactly the consipiracy theory or worst case scenario, controlling the production of cheap normal balls and cheap colubrids (ie, what Petco and Petsmart sell.) It's not "big breeders" that are in on the conspiracy, but the BIG SUPPLIERS to Petco and Petsmart. Big breeders of high end snakes would get screwed also.

Again, I'm not saying I believe this will happen, just trying to explain what is being discussed. I don't think it's wrong to discuss a worst-case scenario.

Thanks,
Ed

Jas, seriously? How many small breeders sell overseas?
How many have managed to get CITES certified, and certified to ship overseas?
The big breeders already HAVE the major market overseas.

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

Jas, seriously? How many small breeders sell overseas?
How many have managed to get CITES certified, and certified to ship overseas?
The big breeders already HAVE the major market overseas.

LMAO! You need to read up more on this stuff. Dont you know how EASY it is now to certified? Anyone can do it..

And one more point. Where do you think the big breeders get a large number of the lower end animals that they supply to Petco and Petsmart? They buy them from smaller breeders in wholesale lots.

Thank you.

Without "small time" breeders, the so called "big time" breeders don't really have much going. The "small" and "medium" timers are the majority of business in the market.

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

Jas, seriously? How many small breeders sell overseas?
How many have managed to get CITES certified, and certified to ship overseas?
The big breeders already HAVE the major market overseas.

Theresa,
It IS very easy. Cities III covers most of the pet snakes, i.e. Ball's etc.
Getting snakes back from Hamm is VERY easy!

Randal

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

Jas, seriously? How many small breeders sell overseas?
How many have managed to get CITES certified, and certified to ship overseas?
The big breeders already HAVE the major market overseas.

With the new system it is very easy for anyone to ship overseas and without the long wait there used to be.

If I am understanding this whole conspiracy theory correctly:
T
he "Big Breeders" would still be able to breed and sell their animals.
They just may not be able to sell them directly to us. They will only be able to sell them to the "Big Chain Pet Stores," and that is who "Joe the Plumber" (you and I) will be able to purchase from.

Petco may not have morphs now, and have a hard time moving their normals for $29.99, but when KS, Fauna, and BP.net are gone, you and I can be arrested for breeding our animals, and the "Big Breeders" can not sell directly to us but have to go through them as the middle man that will change.

Then without the "Bush League Breeders" and their animals in the market the double plus mutation animals will hold their value better for the wealthy, and overseas collectors.

I don't buy it. How does this even belong on the BOI? Great facticious discussion thread, but not BOI material, IMO. Really, is this the kind of fear and propaganda that we should be spreading when everyone's incubators are full. Talk about killing the market!