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Old 11-17-2011, 05:47 PM   #41
DiamondCreek
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he set up rules to offer up to ours states without even talking to us or running it by us
No. There is model legislation to use to mitigate calls for a ban and it will only be put forward to fight a proposed ban. You are fighting the one group that is actually trying to save your collection and your investment from being made worthless by the stroke of a pen.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:49 PM   #42
rodneynboalich
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I am just curious as to how you would do that?
its not like were not all on their emailing list they could have sent emails informing us with their plans and asked for our input
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:49 PM   #43
DiamondCreek
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i really dont think you people realize the implications for breeders. how many breeders are posting on here. how many of you could be faced with having to micro chip hundreds of hatchlings
Again, I'll ask you which would be preferable. Adding $10-$25 to the overhead associated with a hatchling, or having your entire investment in equipment and breeding stock made WORTHLESS by a ban.
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:54 PM   #44
rodneynboalich
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No. There is model legislation to use to mitigate calls for a ban and it will only be put forward to fight a proposed ban. You are fighting the one group that is actually trying to save your collection and your investment from being made worthless by the stroke of a pen.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?
you have no clue what you are talking about first comes a few laws with micro chips and so on next comes the big snake and venomous ban next comes the no reptiles at all ban. thats where it will lead. someone that is legally keeping venomous after laws are in place will get bit and then they will say licensing isnt enough just make then illegal. as redneck as the nra is we still should be paying closer attention to how they are doing things. they wont stand for any ban.
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:54 PM   #45
ldydrgn
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its not like were not all on their emailing list they could have sent emails informing us with their plans and asked for our input
Any idea how long that would take and how arduous that would be? They don't have a huge staff of people.. and I don't think anyone gets paid for the job.
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:58 PM   #46
DiamondCreek
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its not like were not all on their emailing list they could have sent emails informing us with their plans and asked for our input
And who would collate and tabulate all that "input"? You fuss about the money in dues and donations...do you think that kind of tedious work comes for free?

But for S&G's, what would your input be? How would you go about countering a push for an outright ban?

Furthermore, if we are to police ourselves, which is what you are suggesting with your chant for no laws or regulations, how will we deal with those who simply won't abide by best practices? How will we deal with those media darlings who keep a retic or burm in a fish tank, have an escape and perhaps a dead toddler?

If responsible practice is codified at the state level, then the law deals with these people. That sounds like a plan.
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:59 PM   #47
rodneynboalich
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Again, I'll ask you which would be preferable. Adding $10-$25 to the overhead associated with a hatchling, or having your entire investment in equipment and breeding stock made WORTHLESS by a ban.
first of all you will need to find a reptile vet that knows how to do it. then you got to drag all your babies to the vet. so $25 for the chip plus the fee for implanting it and now you have to wait and see how many it will kill
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:59 PM   #48
Lucille
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No. There is model legislation to use to mitigate calls for a ban and it will only be put forward to fight a proposed ban. You are fighting the one group that is actually trying to save your collection and your investment from being made worthless by the stroke of a pen.
Well said. And there are advantage to uniform model legislation for multiple states. There are several active uniform codes including the Uniform Commercial Code so the concept is not new.
 
Old 11-17-2011, 05:59 PM   #49
rodneynboalich
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Any idea how long that would take and how arduous that would be? They don't have a huge staff of people.. and I don't think anyone gets paid for the job.
i doubt it would take much longer than it takes them to send all those emails asking for our money
 
Old 11-17-2011, 06:03 PM   #50
rodneynboalich
can anybody offer up something other than well some laws are better than a ban.
 

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