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Old 10-25-2008, 10:28 AM   #1
Cat_72
Can't see any potential for misuse here....

Stuff like this scares the bejeebus out of me, really.

Scientists Erase Specific Memories in Mice
But the days of 'targeted forgetting' in humans are still long off, experts say.
By Alan Mozes, HealthDay Reporter

WEDNESDAY, Oct. 22 (HealthDay News) — It sounds like science fiction, by scientists say it might one day be possible to erase undesirable memories from the brain, selectively and safely.

Using a complex genetic approach, U.S. and Chinese researchers believe they have done just that in mice, but the feat is far from being tested on humans.

Study co-author Joe Z. Tsien, co-director of the Brain & Behavior Discovery Institute at the Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, says the "work reveals a molecular mechanism of how [memory deletion] can be done quickly and without doing damage to brain cells."

The finding is published in the Oct. 23 issue of Neuron.

Humans plagued by painful memories have long wished for a way to eject them from the brain. The concept was the premise of the popular 2004 film "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," in which two former lovers pay a "memory-erasure" service to expunge the unhappy affair from their minds.

To explore the possibility of safely carving away bits of memory, the study authors first focused on the activity of a common protein found only in the brain, called CaMKII.

In both mice and people, this enzyme is often referred to as the "memory molecule" because of its key role in facilitating brain cell communication — especially people's ability to learn and retain information.

To hone in on the specific workings of CaMKII, Tsien and his team first developed a "chemical-genetic method" that enabled them to instantly turn the protein "on" or "off" among mice intentionally bred to overproduce the molecule.

After exposing the mice to emotionally powerful stimulations, such as a mild shock to their paws, the scientists then observed how well or poorly the animals subsequently recalled the particular trauma as their brain's expression of CaMKII was manipulated up and down.

When the brain was made to overproduce CaMKII at the exact moment the mouse was prodded to retrieve the traumatic memory, the memory wasn't just blocked, it appeared to be fully erased.

This occurred without impacting the animal's ability to recall any other memories, the scientists say.

A similar observation was made in experiments involving the mice's recognition of specific objects. In those cases, overexpression of CaMKII appeared to eliminate all memory of toys with which the mice had previously been exposed.

According to Tsien, the animal study illustrates how the targeted erasure of specific memories might be genetically triggered in a controlled and harmless manner.

The authors stressed that their work is in its infancy, but they believe it opens up the theoretical possibility of therapeutic applications for humans down the road. Memory erasure might help relieve trauma among people plagued by fearful memories, such as those with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), for example.

"While memories are great teachers and obviously crucial for survival and adaptation, selectively removing incapacitating memories, such as traumatic war memories or an unwanted fear, could help many people live better lives," Tsien said.

However, Dr. Joe Verghese, an associate professor of neurology at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, cautioned that the animal work described in the study remains preliminary.

"I think the idea of selectively targeting memory processes is very interesting," he said, "because it not only opens up a whole area of possible intervention but also reveals something about the neurobiology that goes into creating memory in the brain."

"But memory in a human is much more complex than a memory in a mouse," Verghese added. "So, this experimental model, while it brings to mind all sorts of possible applications, is many steps removed from any human application."

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/...8962&gt1=31036
 
Old 10-29-2008, 02:37 AM   #2
Jayneseo
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind....
 
Old 10-29-2008, 03:19 PM   #3
MikeCurtin
UGH!!!! I want my mommy! Too bad the only one who wants to "help" is BIG BROTHER!
 
Old 10-29-2008, 09:14 PM   #4
Southern Wolf
Now maybe I can get rid of the memories of my ex fiance

Where do I sign up
 
Old 10-29-2008, 10:54 PM   #5
John E Dove
I can see some valuable applications, particularly with people suffering from PTSD and survival guilt.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 01:38 AM   #6
Cat_72
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Originally Posted by John E Dove View Post
I can see some valuable applications, particularly with people suffering from PTSD and survival guilt.
I agree, that it may be something that could have possible positive uses. However, until it has been fully tested on human "guinea pigs", I find it hard to believe that simply erasing memories, and being able to choose exactly which ones with any degree of certain accuracy, is highly suspect....and that the removal of even just those may not have some sort of negative repercussions.

I'd like to think that we as humans have a somewhat more complex psyche than mice do....making mice forget their toys is one thing, making a human forget a traumatic event is something else. I'm not sure how we would deal with simply having a "hole" in our memories...or trying to comprehend why people we once knew are now gone, but we don't know why? Or would they be able to erase a specific person from our memory altogether, and would that alter much of life as we know it too? Do we really know how the changing of one seemingly small memory could alter the "big picture" in our lives?

Even if it could work, and be that selective....I find it hard to believe that the tecnology would not be misused as well.

Although the Men in Black seemed to have it pretty well figured out, I guess.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 11:19 AM   #7
GottaLuvHerps
The scary thing to me about this whole idea is not only would the memories be erased, but a part of WHO you are would be gone as well. EVERYTHING you know, remember, have experienced - whether good, bad or ugly - shapes the person you are every day. If you take away an experience or memory, you take away a part of who that person is. How many times have people said "if I could do it all over again, I would change it"...but then, if you think about it, it would change WHO you are overall, because that experience or memory shaped a part of your personality and being.
I have learned to live my life with no regrets for the most part, and have accepted that all of the crap that has happened in my life makes me KELLY, and if it were not for those things, I would not be KELLY as I am today. And who knows, my life might be completely different just by changing or taking away one small event. Think of the movie "The Butterfly Effect"...
Sorry, just my rant...
 
Old 10-30-2008, 05:15 PM   #8
Cat_72
And that's a HUGE part of the point I was trying to make, Kelly! Like I said, I can see where there may be extremely traumatic experiences for some that may make a change for the better if "erased"....but there's no way of knowing for sure. THe process may do more harm than good in the long run, there's no way of knowing for sure....and I'm guessing that once it's gone, they could never "put it back".
 

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