ED CLARK... BUYERS and WHOLESALERS BEWARE..

Originally Posted by dragonluver83

Is he not still doing bad business? Is this not the correct place for my thread?

I was dealing with Ed months before i actually became more active on this site. So i didnt know who exaclty i was dealing with. i was warned by someone. but i try not to let 1 person ruin a persons reputation. thats why i still did business with him but kept our e-mails.

An i didnt send him the replacements so i really didnt get bend to far over. Just alot of b.s. and now he's trying to scam me outta free babies.

Of course Ed is still doing bad business whether it be burning his suppliers or selling sick animals. Ed has so many bad dealings that can be dug up on the BOI that it's sickening he still gets away with sodomizing good people out of money and or animals.

I don't understand why people even chance gamblng their hard earned money on Ed. I guess some people just like to gamble no matter what the cost.

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

This is funny that tom started a thread because I wanted a few replacements for a couple of sick weak dragons he sold me. he's been telling me since last summer he would replace the bad ones.

What else is funny when approached about the weak sick dragons he tried to pass it off as dragons he purchased from Rob Dachiu or Josh Dovenbarger. of course we all have read how tom produces all the dragons that he sells. he just cant be a man and tell the truth.

He would call me a few days before he went to Robs to pick up a load of hatchlings and tell me to meet him at the show(HDG,Md.) the dragons he picked up on friday were still in the boxes from Rob and they looked so dehydrated and skinny.he would tell me stories how he was behind on his rent and needs money, he would also tell me they were going to repo his truck his credit cards were all over due, he had no food in the house. the stories were non stop, I felt sorry for him because he was way over his head.

He told me once when I was there that he had to turn the lights out on his baby dragons for a week because he had no food for them. that's when I gave him my cheap cricket supplier to try to try to help him out.

I laughted when I seen his GG cert., he lied about his address on that he lives in the south gate apartments, building 14, apt 201 in Glen Burnie, Md. where he runs a commercial reptile breeding operation in a small residential apartment.

I can go on and on about this guy, its pointless tho. he has told me over and over that he would replace the sick and weak dragons that had withered away.... as long ago as last summer.

That is why I sent him an email asking him to honor his word. so far his word means nothing at all.

What I really didn't like was the way he threw Rob and Josh on the fire instead of being a man and take responsibility.

tom promised to replace his sick dragons and now he tries to hide from it speaks volumes about his character....his word is worthless.

I really don't see the point in another reply by me on this thread, tom owes me replacement dragons...so he starts a thread about me.

I havnt done businness with either of these people..But I dont think anyone put a gun to your head and made you buy anything Ed..And from reading on here,I doubt you would sucumb to the same requests that you are asking of him..

He owed me money until the beginning/mid November. while he owed me a couple hundred dollars he went out and bought his boa master cage setups, an animals from other breeders. (while i got mulitple e-mails on how he was waiting for payment from a buyer and how he sent a money order and never did!).

So are you saying he still owes you money? If so, yes, please post those emails or invoices or receipts or whatever.

Your time-line & transactions are a bit hard to follow. So ... you bought wholesale lots of dragons, sold those wholesale lots to Ed (at wholesale prices) and then Ed sold them individually. Along the way a few did die, either in Ed's care or after he sold them.
And Ed wants you to replace the ones that perished .... right? So exactly when did he buy the dragons that supposedly died?

Got receipts/shipping records? Got emails? I don't disbelieve you, it's just better to see something more concrete. There are obviously some personal issues in play re: Nicole, Ed, etc.

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Ed ... ditto. Emails, receipts, invoices, etc. All good to back a claim.

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Looks to me like this went from Nicole's thread to private crap between Ed and Tom and now back here. Please back it up with proof, guys. Otherwise you both look like a couple of pre-pubescent teens yacking about nothing but BS that doesn't belong here ... with "the girl" added for more drama.

Originally Posted by dragonluver83

So from the top, i have been dealing with Edward Clark since May of 09' where he met me at the Harve de grace Reptile show... Since then we have done alot of business and started to run into a few problems. In July of 09' he ended up owing me money for about a month. After he told me he would paypal me that night. Then our last transaction in sept of 09'. Which is when the problems started to play out. He owed me money until the beginning/mid November. while he owed me a couple hundred dollars he went out and bought his boa master cage setups, an animals from other breeders. (while i got mulitple e-mails on how he was waiting for payment from a buyer and how he sent a money order and never did!).
Some of you know that i have posted against his fiance. (in begining of dec). and recently with her PHOTO SHOPPED ANIMALS...Since then i have received a few e-mails from Ed saying animals had problems, and animals that he purchased were never healthy from the start and didnt thrive right. Does this not seem odd to anyone else??? Well he p.m.ed me on jan 19th about a hypo trans dying. and he wanted replacements. as he was talking crap about me in the same p.m. i explained to him that after 4 months on a wholesale lot of animals that he hand picked out after watching them eat, would be alittle hard to guarantee.(especially when on my web-site from july of 09' when i typed my guarantee saying wholesale is live arrival guarantee only!!!)( even though they were HAND PICKED) Maybe Ed just needs thicker glasses. i dunno. Plus Ed has sold these animals already and made a profit.. Then he wants me to guarantee 3rd party animals. After this long period of time. And his guarantee is live arrival guarantee only. So he pocketed the money and is trying to get free animals out of me
In the private message pictured Ed explained the animals never thrived right from the start. Ed if these animals never thrived right from the start why would you not contact me and say something? Also, if the animals never thrived right from the start and you knew that why would you re-sell them.
Would you want to by an animal from Ed knowing that he will re-sell a sick animal? well he typed the words not me! He sells whatever, doesnt matter if its sick or not. why do you think his guarantee is live arrival only? So he doesnt lose out on the money spent!

BUYER BEWARE: Ed Clark stated that he knew these animals didnt thrive right FROM THE START and he still re-sold them!! Knowing what Ed does, would you still want an animal from him???

WHOLESALERS BEWARE: When Ed Clark buys animals from you make sure you have some kind of typed out agreement about a guarantee and MAKE SURE YOU GET PAYMENT UP FRONT!!!After 4 months of housing then selling your animals. Ed will come back an try to scam you outta more animals any way he can. He did it to me with almost a year of business under our belt. whats to say he wont do it to you!

Then for todays email.. Where he repeated himself About receiving sick dragons.(you hand picked them outta there cage, you didnt receive anything) So it was 2 hypo trans in the p.m. on jan 19th, and in todays e-mail it grew to 2 leatherback and 3 hypo trans

Business must be slow huh ed??? Or do you want my animals so bad you will do whatever it takes???



From July of 09' when i started on the web my Guarantee has been the same and never changed! heres the link to see my guarantee from July of 09'

http://tomclarke.webs.com/shippingpaymentguarantee.htm

Ed, i would have never posted our business here if you didnt act way you did, Threatening me with: "your actions will dictate how I proceed from this point forward. " After almost a year this is how you want to conduct business with me?You think i am gonna take that from you? Am i suppose to be scared of you on the b.o.i. Think again "alpha dog". I WILL bet people that worked with me will speak up on my behalf.

You also claim your having so many problems with my baby dragons dying then you say my adults have pin worms and coccidia. THEN WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR MORE ANIMALS IF YOU HAVING SO MANY PROBLEMS? It's bull crap Edward
ED, dont call me, dont e-mail me, and dont drive your hunch back anywhere near my place!. you wanted to make up lies and b.s. about me and my animals, to get free stuff. YOUR AS A BIG OF A SCAMMER AS NICOLE OR BIGGER. You have something to say you can do it right here.

And, so were clear on your free dragons from sept of 09', i regret to inform you, you will not be receiving them., (please read my guarantee page.) You use to get free stuff when you made a purchase, but your business is not welcome here anymore! So stop trying to scam me outta animals Edward. And please dont make up lies to try an make me look bad. Its unprofessional. This year Ed your gonna have to buy dragons from someone else, then claim that you bred them. Cause our transactions are done!!!

P.S. in the forth picture on the left side there's something that says ed's folder. its our transactions from may of 09'. and it's all the lousy excuses of how he was going to pay me. there are three pages of e-mails from him. If i need anymore proof about ANYTHING, just ask.

I find it very odd that Ed or anyone with half a brain would hand pick weak dehydrated animals. I do believe with Ed's past history to sell weak or sick animals to unsuspecting customers though. But to have the nerve and balls to come back 4 months later demanding replacements, your a sick puppy Ed.

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

This is funny that tom started a thread because I wanted a few replacements for a couple of sick weak dragons he sold me. he's been telling me since last summer he would replace the bad ones.

What else is funny when approached about the weak sick dragons he tried to pass it off as dragons he purchased from Rob Dachiu or Josh Dovenbarger. of course we all have read how tom produces all the dragons that he sells. he just cant be a man and tell the truth.

He would call me a few days before he went to Robs to pick up a load of hatchlings and tell me to meet him at the show(HDG,Md.) the dragons he picked up on friday were still in the boxes from Rob and they looked so dehydrated and skinny.he would tell me stories how he was behind on his rent and needs money, he would also tell me they were going to repo his truck his credit cards were all over due, he had no food in the house. the stories were non stop, I felt sorry for him because he was way over his head.

He told me once when I was there that he had to turn the lights out on his baby dragons for a week because he had no food for them. that's when I gave him my cheap cricket supplier to try to try to help him out.

I laughted when I seen his GG cert., he lied about his address on that he lives in the south gate apartments, building 14, apt 201 in Glen Burnie, Md. where he runs a commercial reptile breeding operation in a small residential apartment.

I can go on and on about this guy, its pointless tho. he has told me over and over that he would replace the sick and weak dragons that had withered away.... as long ago as last summer.

That is why I sent him an email asking him to honor his word. so far his word means nothing at all.

What I really didn't like was the way he threw Rob and Josh on the fire instead of being a man and take responsibility.

tom promised to replace his sick dragons and now he tries to hide from it speaks volumes about his character....his word is worthless.

I really don't see the point in another reply by me on this thread, tom owes me replacement dragons...so he starts a thread about me.

Ed,

Your last time you bought animals from me was in sept of 09' you finally paid that tab in mid november of 09'.

So i went up Rob Dachiu's house on a friday to go to the show on a saturday to re-sell skinny small dehydrated animals??? Do you read what you type??? I dont think thats the kind of babies they house. Also if i just buy and sell like your trying to claim how come my prices on my dragons compared to the market are so ridiculously low? I do believe i have posted pictured proof from last year to now on dragons laying eggs and babies hatching. and my breeding room.(check the b.d forums for pictures)

I use my mom's address for bills and mail. and the building number is 330 not 14 jack

I have quite a bit of money in my reptile room between animals and dragons (not that its your business) so i highly doubt i am broke. Not counting everything else i have or own. but thats quite off topic.

Ed, i have pictured E-mails so my word has been backed up where's your proof of problems??? i can post all the e-mail about how your gonna pay me owed money for two months, and this and that. i never gave you a sob story and thats pretty lame to say but should be expected by you. especially like im broke and stuff. lol...
So where's proof that i owed you babies or i would replace them??? why are you now contacting me about any problems you had instead of then. everyone knows what you are. An if you had a problem from the start you would have called me. especailly if they slowly withered away
You dont want to post anymore because your full of it. no e-mails of anything. your lame lies and b.s. wont cover your here Edward.

So try something else...

Originally Posted by LauraB

So are you saying he still owes you money? If so, yes, please post those emails or invoices or receipts or whatever.

Your time-line & transactions are a bit hard to follow. So ... you bought wholesale lots of dragons, sold those wholesale lots to Ed (at wholesale prices) and then Ed sold them individually. Along the way a few did die, either in Ed's care or after he sold them.
And Ed wants you to replace the ones that perished .... right? So exactly when did he buy the dragons that supposedly died?

Got receipts/shipping records? Got emails? I don't disbelieve you, it's just better to see something more concrete. There are obviously some personal issues in play re: Nicole, Ed, etc.

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Ed ... ditto. Emails, receipts, invoices, etc. All good to back a claim.

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Looks to me like this went from Nicole's thread to private crap between Ed and Tom and now back here. Please back it up with proof, guys. Otherwise you both look like a couple of pre-pubescent teens yacking about nothing but BS that doesn't belong here ... with "the girl" added for more drama.

No Laura he paid the last debt from sept of 09' in the beginning of november of 09'
My girlfriend said it was alittle hard to follow too, i am sorry.... the first problem was in july of 09' took a month to pay for his wholesale lot. he paid me the week of the tenth. (it was the week of vacation(my b-day) and he finally paid me before i went away)... then the second and last problem was when he came to my apartment in sept of 09' took babies outta here. paid 11 hundred in cash and then left with a 200 some odd dollar bill. he said i will pay you tonight when i get in ( YES i offered for him to use my computer but he said he had to transfer funds from his bank to paypal.) So i decided, hey he spent over a G. i can let him have a tab of a couple hundred. Since he was telling me he was going to pay me that night.(proves me being poor, right..... Well after many many e-mails full off excuses i finally got paid in nov. of 09.
Now Ed said they were weak and didnt thrive right. but he sold them anyway.. then they died on the buyer from Ed's end. so he bought them from me and they were fine sold them only to receive "phone calls" that they were dying. so they didnt even die in his care. they died in the buyers hands. 4-5 months later...

The Dragons he claims died in his customers hands were purchased from me in september of 09'. 4-5 months before the complaints...

Laura what other proof would you like???

Tom:

My girlfriend said it was alittle hard to follow too, i am sorry

No problem.

the first problem was in july of 09' took a month to pay for his wholesale lot.

Not uncommon ... but he did pay in August of '09 then. Thanks for clarifying.

then the second and last problem was when he came to my apartment in sept of 09' took babies outta here. paid 11 hundred in cash and then left with a 200 some odd dollar bill.

So he left with a $200+ debt still owed. But paid finally in November, 2009. Thanks for clarifying.

Now Ed said they were weak and didnt thrive right. but he sold them anyway.. then they died on the buyer from Ed's end. so he bought them from me and they were fine sold them only to receive "phone calls" that they were dying. so they didnt even die in his care. they died in the buyers hands. 4-5 months later...

If by "Now" you mean within the last week is the first notification you've received, then no ... you do not owe Ed replacements. If the animals died after Ed received and subsequently sold them, then no .. you do not owe him anything. I see the PM/email of 2/27 you posted where Ed asks you where the replacements are. Are there previous emails/PM/s from Ed concerning those deceased dragons immediately after Ed received them or while they were in his care?
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Ed:

This is funny that tom started a thread because I wanted a few replacements for a couple of sick weak dragons he sold me. he's been telling me since last summer he would replace the bad ones.

Okay ... got any written proof?

What else is funny when approached about the weak sick dragons he tried to pass it off as dragons he purchased from Rob Dachiu or Josh Dovenbarger.

So why would you buy "weak sick dragons" and then sell them off yourself?

I guess you know that dragging other names (Dachiu and Josh) into this particular thread ain't a great idea unless you can back your word up, right? Kind of looks like an attemp to derail/shift the attention.

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Bottom line looks like Tom doesn't owe Ed anything for dragons that died in the hands of Ed's customers. Ed has paid Tom in full for dragons hesaw and bought.
Again ... the common denominator ... a girl, bad press and the source of contention & "chivalry". Nothing more, nothing less. Bah humbug.

If the dragons "slowly wasted away" over a 4 month period... Ed, did you ever consider perhaps it's YOUR husbandry that's causing them to die? 4 months is a long time, especially for not talking to the seller about the so-called issue.

Wow! Now on toms behalf and not because I'm a friend or I'm on one side or another but i have been to toms house as recent as last week to hang out, even watched them have dinner(as I already ate) see the dragons and what projects he had going on and even watch one of the females lay. I assisted in helping them feed the newly hatched dragons to adults something I enjoy. But nowhere did i see any signs of malnourished dragons,lack of crickets,meal worms,fruits and veggies and even dubia's. Tom is 1 of only a select few i will do business with because i know how he runs things and how is animals are treated first hand! I have not done business with Ed so i have nothing bad nor good to say.