Mike Losley- Loser-Fraud-Liar

Originally Posted by HerpMasters Inc.

Everything in the world was done to satisfy David with this trade. I went well out of my way and even against attorney advice to satisfy this guy and nothing would appease him. Like every story I have my side of things also. Anyone interested can email me and I will be happy to explain the details to them. This guy is just plain sad. Cant say it any other way.

Yeah he's sad. -sarcasm- what's sad is, as apexpredator mentioned, there are people like you who see that a snake is mite infested, dehydrated, half dead, or whatever, and yet you have no problem sticking it in a box and sending it to someone who paid good money for it. Conscience be damned, or would that be.....Conscience....what is that? Along with ethics, morals, decent business acumen, What's that? What's sad is using your "real" business e-mail to conduct transactions, then hiding behind your boss, and having him write a moronic e-mail when you no longer wish to deal with someone that you sent mite infested snakes to. What's sad is there are so many people like you who still manage to make a little bit of money, off of the backs of good honest reptile people, while tarnishing the hobby even further.

Right around the middle of May I met Mike Losey. I am the person David spoke about in his post. I am not sure where it was that I hooked up with Mike. It must have been some advertising classified. Anyway, Mike emailed me and said he had 1.2 Emerald Tree Boas. I told him about various snakes I had and he emailed me back with what he would take in trade for the boas. My son Joey and I drove 160 mile and got off I-4 at exit 10. There is a cracker Barrel rght off the exit. Mike arrived, we shook hands, and I began to pull each of the seven snakes I had brought for the trade. When I finished, I threw each of the bags int the back seat of Mike's pickup truck. Mike then unknotted a pillow case and began to show me the Emeralds. From the moment I saw them I knew they were wild caught. I asked Mike, "I thought you told me these were CBB. He reiterated the statement that they were CBB. Onel look close up showed that there were mites on the animals and there was even a tic which I showed to Mike. All three of them had areas where there were, I counted, three layers of shed. I told Mike I could not take "these wild caught animals" for my breeding stock. I told my son Joey to pull the bags out of the backseat of Mike's pickup. Mike made a move to block my son, but as he moved I stepped in between him and my son and told him "Even thinking about it would be stupid." He flushed red. I told him i would give him $100 for all three of them. He got a little upset. I also told him he needed to take the animals to a vet. Looking inside his truck, there were leather seats, nice upholstery, it made me think, here is this guy with this nice truck, he was dressed well, he had a nice watch on and a ring or two. Why would this guy want to be looked at as anything other than a decent guy?

Well I found out about David's problems with Mike when I was in the middle of a deal with David. David had wanted to buy a hogg island from me, but he told me he had recently gotten ripped off by a guy named Mike who sold him some bad emeralds. As soon as he said it I told David about the meeting with Mike at the Cracker Barrel. He then realized the during his dealing with Mike, Mike had put him on hold to possibly with a local guy (me). So, I decided to help David. I contacted Mike and told him who I was, and what I knew about the snakes. After that I began getting threatening emails from Mike telling me I would be in my best interests to stay out of the situation. When I wrote back and told him I felt like he was threatening me, and he could come see me, or we could arrange a meeting anywhere he wanted to. I also reminded him of how he backed down when he tried to make a move in the parking lot. He sent me anther email or two, and then I wrote to his boss as well. His boss had sent David a very sarcastic email and I wrote him back to basically tell him where he could put his condescending, patronizing, totally sarcastic email. I ripped him so bad he did not even have the courage to write back, but Mike did, reiterating his threat. I told him I was going to go down to the local sheriff's department and file charges for terroristic threats and fraud.

Mike Losey is a crumb. He is worse than a crumb. t seems that David found ut one thing, no matter how nice the snakes, Mike coud screw them up. He not only should be barred from this forum, he should be reported to every animal listing there is. He should not be allowed to ever torture another animal. He is a abuser who thinks so highly of himself that he feels no one can touch him. And his boss should be made to go take intelligence classes. Any guy who would step up for Mike, knowing or not knowing what kind of person he is, needs to smarten up. I even asked his boss in my emali, "If you know what a loser Mike is, and you know what he has done to a small fry like David (no offense, David) what makes you think that when he no longer has a use for you, he won't rip you off in some way. He had no answer.

John V. LaCorte, Jr.

Originally Posted by HerpMasters Inc.

Everything in the world was done to satisfy David with this trade. I went well out of my way and even against attorney advice to satisfy this guy and nothing would appease him. Like every story I have my side of things also. Anyone interested can email me and I will be happy to explain the details to them. This guy is just plain sad. Cant say it any other way.

Mike, In the email exchange, I think we pretty much know your side of the story. You tried to pass off WC animals that were in poor condition as CBB animals. You insulted the buyer and tried to shut him up about the transaction by offering a little something back.
You stated that there was little to be gained by pursuing this regardless of the outcome of a court case. You knew full well that the animals were in poor health and had a mite problem but you sent them anyway. Unethical decision on your part.

Originally Posted by Snake Pit Boss

His boss had sent David a very sarcastic email and I wrote him back to basically tell him where he could put his condescending, patronizing, totally sarcastic email. I ripped him so bad he did not even have the courage to write back, but Mike did, reiterating his threat. I told him I was going to go down to the local sheriff's department and file charges for terroristic threats and fraud.

I wonder if it was his Boss or Mike that wrote the email. You could give a call?
I think CONMED would appreciate knowing how their employees conduct themselves using their email accounts. If the threats were made by that account, you should contact directly at the listing below.

Originally Posted by reptilebreeder

What's that? What's sad is using your "real" business e-mail to conduct transactions, then hiding behind your boss, and having him write a moronic e-mail when you no longer wish to deal with someone that you sent mite infested snakes to. What's sad is there are so many people like you who still manage to make a little bit of money, off of the backs of good honest reptile people, while tarnishing the hobby even further.

That’s also interesting.

Now, about not contacting you at your work location, that is amusing since your email headers show that you made most of the business responses with that account. It’s a small world, What position do you hold with CONMED? I have an acquaintance that holds a position at the Santa Barbara facility. I wonder what she would tell me about company policy in regards to email accounts.

To Mike’s Boss (Mr. Goldberg) Looking at the previous emails, the majority came from within your system to commit this fraud. Did you not have a problem with Mike using company resources to defraud the public until someone complained? I guess if the email did come from his boss someone could call and ask him what his position is.

Linvatec Corporation
11311 Concept Blvd.
Largo, FL 33773

Phone: 1-800-237-0169
FAX: (727) 399-5256
EMAIL: cust_serv@linvatec.com

Or, you could just contact ConMed directly and ask them if they know that their employees are using company resources to run a scam.

CONMED Endoscopic Technologies
129 Concord Road, Bldg. #3
Billerica, MA 01821 USA

Phone: 1-800-448-6506
FAX: 1-978-262-4806

CONMED Corporation
310 Broad Street
Utica, NY 13501

Phone: 315-797-8375
FAX: 315-797-0321
EMAIL: info@conmed.com

To be fair to Mike, looking at past BOI threads, it does seem he followed through with and had some good trades in the past but it still doesn’t give him a pass on the misrepresented animals and the responses that he gave in the emails.

The situation was handled poorly. You have two separate witnesses to the conditions of these snakes.
You have threats in an effort to silence the parties involved. You have Mike trying to dictate the terms of the solution when it was his part of the trade that was misrepresented. Bad Business all around.

I am still amazed at how the carpets went so far down hill in a little over a month. These guys were some of the best carpets I had. It is truly sad to see them in this condition. Thank you all for your support.
David

Many opinions here can be quite subjective. Lots of things can "seem" a certain way, but there is no proof, so we can hide behind the "he said - she said" veil to the extent that it may provide cover. By your own words Mike, you put mite infested snakes in a bag to be shipped. Not a good move, not to mention not notifying the customer that "The snakes have some mites. Are we still cool?" We all know what the answer would have been. Readers here in the future have enough to go on.

I thought I would share a PM I received from Mike along with my response. I suppose it was a response to my earlier post.

Originally Posted by HerpMasters Inc.

Maybe you ought to get facts before you go accusing me of something.

There is a pretty damning string of Emails there that indicate the following

1.) You have no problem misrepresenting animals you sell.

2.) You are willing to send mite infested animals out without prior warning. That, in and of itself, is sufficient evidence to warrant every word I said,

3.) Your business ethics suck. to attempt to force this guy into a compromise of any sort given the situation was just fundamentally low.

4.) Looking at those pics, you have no business having any animals in your possession. Anyone who would ship animals in that condition under the assumption they are healthy does not belong in this industry.

In short Mike, I would not spend a lot of energy attempting to defend your position. It is indefensible.

I stand behind every word I posted

David

Do you have any pics of the Emeralds?

Mike you did a bad thing to the pooch and the way I see it you owe David the full value of all the animals he sent you. Not part not a percentage but the full value of the trade. Your in a mess here and unless your a total moron you know what damage this thread will do to your reputation in the reptile world. Best be quick and do what ever you need to, too make this right as the longer this goes on the more damage will be done. Where David posting here that you made this right with him will lessen the damage to you. Your choice--choose wisely...Randy