I'm sure the OP is going to think I'm defending Underground but I am not, I am simply pointing out inconsistencies with the claims versus what is actually published for this disease and outstanding issues that need to be resolved.
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Originally Posted by thamnophis123
SFD has wiped out - 100% mortality - federally endangered massassauga populations in Illinois and has proven to be 40% fatal in small scale lab studies. It has no known cure.
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Where did you get the information that it has wiped out massasauga in Illinois? Do you have any citations for it or is it hearsay as I couldn't find anything in the literature to support the claim.
See for example
http://www.herpconbio.org/Volume_11/..._etal_2016.pdf
Baker, Sarah J., et al. "SOURCES OF MORTALITY IN THE ENDANGERED EASTERN MASSASAUGA (SISTRURUS CATENATUS) IN ILLINOIS." Herpetological Conservation and Biology 11.2 (2016): 335-343.
The closest thing I can find is a blurb on this site showing that a total of 9 massasauga were were found infected in Illinois since 2008 see
http://www.biologyofthepitvipers.com...-from-Illinois
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. Since first identifying SFD in Illinois Eastern Massasaugas from the Carlyle Lake population in 2008, we have detected 9 cases total, occurring in each year except 2011.
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The claim for not treatment available has to be considered in the light of the fact that this is an emerging disease and that the tried treatments in the literature tend to have been on the animals that were most severely infected and as a result they might have been too compromised for a successful recovery.
When I looked at the pictures posted by the OP of his snake I was immediately reminded of the "disease" that was called "blister disease" in the hobby which was a form of dermatoses generally fungal in nature that were often caused by improper husbandry at some point (usually too cool and too wet). See for example
http://www.bioone.org/doi/pdf/10.758...-3558-12.3.405 McKenzie, R. A., and P. E. Green. "Mycotic dermatitis in captive carpet snakes (Morelia spilotes variegata)." Journal of wildlife diseases 12.3 (1976): 405-408.
(although I have to admit that it was called locally "water blisters" due to the association with too wet cage conditions or excessive soaking).
and a reference to "blister disease" in water snakes from 2007
http://mnfi.anr.msu.edu/reports/2007...terization.pdf
Lee, Y., et al. "Population monitoring and habitat characterization for the conservation and recovery of the northern population of the copperbelly water snake (Nerodia erythrogaster neglecta). Michigan Natural Features Inventory." Michigan Natural Features Inventory 2007-04 (2007).
So there are several questions that are going to be out there until this disease has been studied further and they are
1). is SFD the same as "blister disease" (which if it is the case then its been around for a very long time (for more than 50 years).
2). time to emergence of the symptoms of the disease (not well known only one trial with cottonmouths that I could find), but the emergence was rapid after inoculation (day 13 post inoculation) so depending on the emergence of the first symptom it raises questions as to where and when the snakes actually acquired the infection and whether or not all were infected at the same time or there was transfer by the keeper.
See Allender, Matthew C., et al. "Development of snake fungal disease after experimental challenge with ophidiomyces ophiodiicola in cottonmouths (Agkistrodon piscivorous)." PloS one 10.10 (2015): e0140193.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0140193
3). there appears to be a wide variation in mortality both within and between species see for example
Smith, C. E., J. Edwards, and J. M. Lorch. "Crotalus horridus (Timber Rattlesnake) fungal pathogens." Herpetological Review 44.519 (2013): e520.
Guthrie AL, Knowles S, Ballmann AE, Lorch JM. Detection of snake fungal disease in Virginia. J Wildl Dis, in press
4). Not all disinfectants are equal so the question of cross infection is a possibility see Rzadkowska, Marta, et al. "Evaluation of Common Disinfectants Effective against Ophidiomyces ophiodiicola, the Causative Agent of Snake Fungal Disease." Journal of Wildlife Diseases 52.3 (2016): 759-762.
As noted above there are some serious questions regarding the claims made by the OP as the statements don't always align with the (scant!) established data. Now the PCR results are going to be definitive for a diagnosis but we are still going to be left with the questions regarding whether infection was pre-shipment or post-shipment, and whether or not it is the same as the historic descriptions of "blister disease".
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