Which Fool Should I Vote For? Bush or Kerry?

Sorry to tell most of you this, but I have loved Michael Moore ever since his brilliant first film "Roger and Me" and his hilarious television show "TV Nation." Please see if you can rent any of these, and I promise you will like Michael Moore.

Originally posted by brucestephenson
Sorry to tell most of you this, but I have loved Michael Moore ever since his brilliant first film "Roger and Me" and his hilarious television show "TV Nation." Please see if you can rent any of these, and I promise you will like Michael Moore.

Even after watching this trash from Moore I still wouldn't mind kicking his eyes in.

Here are my plans for this weekend:

First, I am taking my wife out to see Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 911". After that we are stopping at a bookseller to buy President Bill Clinton's book "My Life." I can't tell you how good I feel about giving my hard earned money to these two great men and their causes.

Originally posted by brucestephenson
Sorry to tell most of you this, but I have loved Michael Moore ever since his brilliant first film "Roger and Me" and his hilarious television show "TV Nation." Please see if you can rent any of these, and I promise you will like Michael Moore.

Much like visiting a prison will endear you to the convicts. I fail to see how subjecting oneself to Moore's lies and deception will get someone to like him. Bottom line is that Moore is intellectually dishonest, a fraud, and a gigantic waste of flesh.

I'm not stating this as a partisan view. Moore's deceptions are an indisputable matter of fact.

After that we are stopping at a bookseller to buy President Bill Clinton's book "My Life." I can't tell you how good I feel about giving my hard earned money to these two great men and their causes.

What follows is my "partisan" opinion... Clinton's only endearing quality was that he possessed charisma. Other than that, he was a poor leader. His disregard for the rights of Americans and his disdain for the Armed Forces left a rather bitter taste in my mouth. Whether we like to admit it or not, the POTUS should also serve as a moral compass for Americans. That was one of his worst failures. One cannot lead effectively if they are not worthy of respect.

That being said, I don't feel that any POTUS in recent history (including GWB) can measure up to the late President Reagan. He hit the nail on the head with, "Government is not the solution. It's the problem."

Hey Bruce,


Are you angry at your wife or something? Why would you do that to her??????? LOL!

Take her to a snake show instead and buy her a snake!!!!! Buy her a nice northern pine snake. She can have a pet that hasn't committed perjury, adultery, AND make movies supporting democratic extremism without a solution to offer.

That way......your money is better spent for about the same price as that book AND movie, with popcorn and drinks combined.

LOL! Take care!

Billy

If you're still uncertain for whom to vote, please consider not only the candidate, but consider a party's record. It is clear the Democratic Party is the party for those who cherish this planet and responsible rights of the individual.

This is for all of you republicans on this site who seem to cherish your special rights to keep these animals and carry your guns.

Why do you, in an almost mythological way, demonize liberals? It is the liberals who will save you from yourselves. Liberals will protect the other species of this planet, liberals will protect the minorities from the oppressive majority, and liberals will protect this planet from ourselves. You cherish your animals and their habitats, but you vote for people who lack any such respect.

How often do you turn on your TV and see a liberal hatefully bashing religious conservatives? Not very often at all would be the correct answer. If fact, it is far easier to turn on Fox News and see liberal bashing at almost anytime of the day. You point your fingers at liberals such as Michael Moore and say he is filled with hate, but how do you explain Fox's extremely brash and un-countered attacks on liberals or hateful conservative protesters to gay rights? How do you explain the attempt by our President to put discrimination into our most cherished governing document? Bush ran as compassionate, but has been nothing but the opposite, a divider who caters to the extremist right.

Liberals fight to preserve or evolve the rights of the individual for the individual's personal happiness. Republicans repress minorities today just as they have always done so in the past. Who opposed desegregation? Who opposed women's rights? Who opposed the right to choose? Who opposed the tearing down of invasive laws such as sodomy laws? Which party would completely ignore the Establishment Clause, keeping government out of religion and religion out of government?

And the latest attempt to compare liberals to Hitler by the Bush administration is absolutely hilarious. Hitler, someone on the politically far RIGHT I might add, hated religious minorities and homosexuals. How could the Democrats, who fight for rights for both minority groups, be compared to the Nazi regime? Is it not the Republicans, who have historically fought against extending rights to minorities, that are more like the Nazis' ideology? It would seem that the far right of America would be closer to the far right of Nazi Germany than the far left. Sure, compare the far left to the socialist. That at least would be a little more intellectually responsible, however flawed it might be.

Our country is extremely diverse, and it is only becoming more so as time passes. We cannot have a government that oppresses the change brought about by diversification.

And as the environment goes, always remember which party has ties with the oil industry and the country of Saudi Arabia. If you really love wildlife and the outdoors, Bush and the Republican Party is not the direction in which your vote should be cast.

I'll leave you with a quote from a person conservative Republicans hold with utmost regard:

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees...God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’"


-- Ann Coulter
Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01.

I believe the choice is clear, and I'd say anyone but Bush, but unfortunately, any vote besides Kerry will help Bush. I support having third parties, but this election, as was the last, will be too close to responsibly exercise the liberty of making a statement.

Think...then vote. Avoid reversing that order.

-Mark Meredith
My Astronomy Home

It is clear the Democratic Party is the party for those who cherish this planet and responsible rights of the individual.

Democrats for individual rights... now that's funny. Perhaps you have the Democrats confused with the Libertarians. Big government, a nanny state, weakened national defense, tax and spend- yes. Individual, or even states' rights- hardly.

This is for all of you republicans on this site who seem to cherish your special rights to keep these animals and carry your guns.

Yes, I do value my rights, especially those which have been affirmed by the Bill of Rights. Very few Democrats seem to grasp the concept of the rights affirmed by our founding fathers.

Why do you, in an almost mythological way, demonize liberals?

Perhaps it is because of the atrocious manner in which they act.

It is the liberals who will save you from yourselves...

That statement simply makes me want to vomit. Individual rights, but you'll save people from themselves. Uh huh. Oh I forgot, people can only exercise those rights sanctioned by someone else. After all, it's for their own good.

You cherish your animals and their habitats, but you vote for people who lack any such respect.

I vote for those who comprehend that a human's existance takes priority over that of an animal's.

How often do you turn on your TV and see a liberal hatefully bashing religious conservatives?

It seems to be a daily routine.

You point your fingers at liberals such as Michael Moore and say he is filled with hate, but how do you explain Fox's extremely brash and un-countered attacks on liberals or hateful conservative protesters to gay rights?

It is an irrefutable fact that Moore is both filled with hate as well as intellectually dishonest.

I'll answer your question with a rhetorical one of my own. Would you care to explain CNN, MSNBC, and NPR's slant to the left of center?

How do you explain the attempt by our President to put discrimination into our most cherished governing document?

A document so cherished that it's actually trampled on equally by both major parties. While I don't support ammending the Constitution, I also believe that there exists no right to same sex marriage.

Bush ran as compassionate, but has been nothing but the opposite, a divider who caters to the extremist right.

Speaking of intellectually dishonest, that was a patently false statement. With his rather liberal stances on various issues, Bush has alienated the "extreme right."

Liberals fight to preserve or evolve the rights of the individual for the individual's personal happiness.

See above. Evolve is a euphemism for dissolve.


Let's touch on the Democrats and civil rights for a moment, shal we?

It's interesting how throughout the latter two thirds of the twentieth century the Republican party had a better voting record on major civil rights issues. Come to think of it, wasn't it a Republican president who sent NG troops to Little Rock to enforce the SCOTUS Brown v Board of Education ruling? Oddly enough, the Court's ruling was vehemently opposed by former Democratic VP candidate John Sparkman.

Come to think of it, the Democrats couldn't even muster two thirds of their own party in the House to vote yes for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, whereas 79% of House Republicans voted yes. Now then, there was also an anti-rights filibuster going on in the Senate at this time. Funny how only 65.7% of the Democratic Senators voted to end the filibuster, while 81.8% of Republican Senators voted to end it and bring the Civil Rights Act to a vote.

Nowadays, the Democrats are embracing discrimination, but they're euphemistically calling it "affirmative action." Discrimination is discrimination no matter what color you paint it. Champions of civil rights my ass!

And the latest attempt to compare liberals to Hitler by the Bush administration is absolutely hilarious.

Hilarious in the regards, perhaps, that the Hitler footage was taken from a liberal ad which compared Bush to Hitler. The purpose of the ad is to show the liberal mindset.

Now then, I'll post more tomorrow. It's getting late and I've got things to do.

How do you figure Bush has alienated himself from the right. He wants to take away the choice of a woman to have an abortion, and says that because one human being is attracted to another of the same sex that that person is not allowed to have the same rights that heterosexual couples have.
You say that a humans existence takes priority over an animals. Do you realize that, while superior, we are animals in the grand scheme of life. If we keep destroying habitat we will only destroy ourselves in time. It may take a thousand more years, but it will happen. There are other methods of energy out there, but while big oil has the power and influence it does, its going to be a while.
While you guys make some valid points, why doesnt anyone talk about Bush and his down side. He skipped out on the Vietnam war. He thinks because hes the Pres he can do WHATEVER he wants in the name of terrorism. And noone questions it. This war will only create more terrorists and was begun by the administration telling lies. I cant wait until hes gone.

EP

Thank You Zoo,

I was beginning to think I was the only one in here who wasn't camping on the dark side. I agree with everything you said, and I'd like to emphasize a few points you made.

Harbart, I'm sorry to break this to you, but you bleed just like every other animal on this planet. Unfortunately we're no more "special" than the next ape. Unique, yes, but not special. Don't let that big brain of yours cloud your judgment. For some reason, I feel it is safe to assume you're not a fan of the Theory of Evolution and its many supporting spin-offs. Oh, and don't forget the fossils... They're a heart breaker.

I'm confident we'll, meaning the environmentally friendly, none-Bushiacs, will be in control soon. Bush is big oil and there's no way even our fellow right-winger Harbart can deny it.

Harbart, is your marriage threatened by gay couples loving each other and having the government, into which they also pay taxes, recognize that love? If so, I suggest counseling.

Also, don't try to shove the "affirmative action is discrimination" crap in our faces. I don't agree with it either, but I sure the hell can look over that when the Republicans are suppressing important scientific research (stem cell), attempting to put discrimination into the constitution, pulling out of the Kyoto treaty because it might hurt big business, wanting to drill in Alaska's refuge instead of pushing ahead with alternate fuel source research, making big space goals for NASA while refusing to increase funding to support those very goals (I'm a space buff, so don't get me wrong. I love the idea of going to Mars, but you need the funding to do it.), and creating more enemies while going after (a 2nd time) the guy that tried to kill Daddy. Osama bin who?

The amount of troops in Afghanistan is so pitiful, we might as well break the news to the poor bastards..."Well, you know those promises about funding your rebuilding that we made... Ya see, the thing is, we really can't afford it now with this whole Iraq situation. You're just going to have to do it on your own, and those tribes that don't like you...they're growing in strength. Good luck." What happened to the real war on terror? We've only opened up Iraq for the terrorist just as we thought we were closing the door on Afghanistan.

Harbart, I'll leave you to "exist" in your superiority over all us animals. And you're not fooling anyone about the rights issue. Every time there is something to do with extending civil rights to a part of our society, the Republicans, with the religious right at their side, are the opposition, and the Democrats, while sometimes too scared to really stand up strong enough for my tastes, are on the other side.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Ken Harbart
Speaking of intellectually dishonest, that was a patently false statement. With his rather liberal stances on various issues, Bush has alienated the "extreme right.[/quote]

Exactly what issues do you speak of? His allowing of a meager amount of stem cell research to go forward instead of completely outlawing it? His all out support for the marriage amendment of which he spoke of at the Southern Baptist Convention (talk about ignoring the Establishment Clause)? His completely pulling out of the Kyoto treaty for big bussiness (which includes himself, the VP, the Bush family, and many others close to W)?

Bush isn't just in line with the right; he's in bed with it.

Atrocious way in which we act?!? I just love how you make these hard statements without the slightest explanations. Atrocious is the bigotry and ignorance that runs all too common among conservatives. Why do you think the least educated peoples of this country are by far conservative? Look at the South for example, we have some of the worst education systems in the country, and we are very much controlled by conservative republicans. It wasn't until the Democrats became the party that supported civil rights that the South began its move toward the Republican party, so that should tell you something. Where was slavery? Where was the Scopes Monkey trial? In the heart of conservative territory.

It is not that most conservatives are ignorant; it is that most ignorant people are conservative.

Harbart, I just wanted to tell you that you are always welcome back in with us humans. We're going ape to have you back.


Mark
My Astronomy Home

Anyone..........Anyone!!! voting for Bush after seeing that press conference where he chastized the reporter for asking a question that wasn't "on the list" is just a complete........... no, I won't go there. People come on! He's the Pres. of the United F........ States! Shouldn't he at least be able to answer a question w/o getting it ahead of time?!?!? Plain and simple, Bush is not smart enough for the job. Kerry is about as exciting as boiled turnips, but at least the man has a brain in his head.

And as far as Republicans being morally superior to democrats, you might want to have a little talk with the VP and tell him to stop w/ the F bombs on the senate floor Ken.

ANYONE but Bush is my vote. By the way, I'm a registered Republican. My greatest fear is that Bush gets reelected, and then his brother, Govenor DUH!, takes a turn. By the time those two get done with our schools, we won't be able to compete w/ Mexico much less Japan.