ED Clark (BAD GUY!!)

looks like the same female to me just a brighter color because is upset or happy......the markings in both pictures are the same

some of the best crested can look like crap unless you get at that right time. reds are the worst. some reds will look grey most of the time then show a brick red at that right time.
as for the calcium, is she a retired breeder or virgin? That is something that should have made clear/asked before payment.
Also ask why a gecko breeder is selling a ready to breed female.
Also have told him you brought this issue here? Let here his side.

To me the side markings on the first Ed photo matches the side markings on the first Gecko Received photo.

Look at the harley markings on the side of the female and it will be apparent they are not the same animal.

I had also inquired about this pair, and asked to see more pictures.
Ed Clark sent me a picture of an obviously different female, told me he has a lot of photos and there must have been a mix up. Ed said he'd take more photos but i never heard from him.

Originally Posted by cccreptile

some of the best crested can look like crap unless you get at that right time. reds are the worst. some reds will look grey most of the time then show a brick red at that right time.

True. I have a younger female that looks pale orange and gray most of the time. When she sees a male crested, she glows like she is on fire.

Originally Posted by compoundB

Look at the harley markings on the side of the female and it will be apparent they are not the same animal.

I had also inquired about this pair, and asked to see more pictures.
Ed Clark sent me a picture of an obviously different female, told me he has a lot of photos and there must have been a mix up. Ed said he'd take more photos but i never heard from him.

Ed's photo is showing the right side, while yours show the left- the only parts visible in both are on the extreme dorsal surface, where the patterns appear identical.

Color intensity can vary greatly based on physical and physiological conditions- the time of day, the temperature, the relaxed or excited state of the animal, the humidity, the light intensity (which can also impact the tones shown in photographs), stress, breeding readiness, recent diet...

The color variability can change how much the pattern contrasts but not the intense patches of light and dark- which are indentical in the two sets of photos.

I also have found Ed to be shady in the past but I don't see anything here warranting the bad guy report. Hell, I don't even think he should have said anything about sending another animal since I don't see any justification for him oweing one.

Originally Posted by Seamus Haley

Ed's photo is showing the right side, while yours show the left- the only parts visible in both are on the extreme dorsal surface, where the patterns appear identical.

Strike that, I was looking at the male when checking the sides.

we have dealt with ed and have seen first hand how he deals with his clients. he is a stand up guy that sells quality animals. i cant see any reason for him to want to rip you off, this is what he does and his reputation helps him sell animals.
ryan and wayne
Dark Continent Reptiles

The females have very similar dorsal markings, but in my experience creamy side markings like the ones shown on the right side of Ed Clark's female photo do not just disappear when the gecko is not fired up. Cream and white tend to stay pretty much just as bold when the gecko shows its day colors.

As outlined in green in these pics, there is a large "notch" in the dorsal cream on the posterior end of the gecko she received that is not there in the pic Ed showed.



The pink area shows a thicker cream on Ed's photo. Again, I have not seen cream disappear or lessen like that on my own geckos. I could be wrong! Maybe it does happen. I just haven't seen it.

Originally Posted by critical bill

I'm not a big Ed Clark fan myself, but they look to be the same animals to me. They also look to be pretty healthy animals as well.

Also, your picture were taken on 7/8/2008. They would mean they spent at a month or so in your care at the time of those photos. Do you have photos of them the way they looked when you received them in May? How is anyone to know that they could have lost the weight you claim they have while in your care for the last month or so?

I'm the first guy that would love to see Eddie get his ass handed to him, but with the info so far provided..it looks like the only thing he is guilty of is offering you another gecko and his failure to communicate when you can expect it.

The OP saw the ad in May, and set up a payment plan. I believe she got the geckos late june or early july.