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11-03-2002, 12:49 AM
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I just received three ball pythons recently from a purchase. The male is breathing through open mouth, and drooling a lot. Anyone knows what's wrong with it? Of course, all of them are quarantined in a separate room from rest of my collection. Also, the two females that were shipped together, what's the possible chance for them to be also infected/ill? And would the minimum 30 days quarantine period be long enough? Thanks for your help. Chen Lai
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11-03-2002, 08:29 AM
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What you have is a respatory infection...First off,,,you need to isolate the male NOW!!!! Get him away from all other snakes..Second,,,crank the heat up in the females cages...Since they are not showing the signs yet,,,pushing the heat up about 5-8 degrees may help ward off any further infections...Once you have this done,,,TAKE THE MALE TO A VET!!!! The vet will probably give him medication called "Baytril""...R.I. is extremely contagious,,and FATAL,,,if not taken care of immed...Another thing,,,you can crank the heat in the males cage((ONCE YOU ISOLATE HIM!!<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='  '>,,and give him about 2 days to see if the R.I. clears up...If not,,,,he needs to go to a vet,,or he will die!!!! R.I. is a dangerous disease,,and can wipe out everything you have...If you just recieved these animals((2-3 days ago)),,i would call the person i got them from,,and demand a refund..Do ot send them back until they are cured,,chances are that they will not survive the return trip!!!! One more thing,,,R.I. IS AN AIRBORN DISEASE,,AND WILL TRAVEL!!!
good luck
Jeff
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11-03-2002, 09:45 AM
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I agree with Jeff's recommendations. If the male came in the same box with the females, chances are they are trying to fight-off the respiratory infection right now. This might be obvious, but if you are going to be handling the snakes and/or cleaning their cages, leave these three new additions for the end, particularly the sick male. Wash and sanitize your hands between cages/snakes. Again my apologies if this is too obvious but I have seen people who forget this simple rule. You can go to your nearest Home Depot and buy disposable latex gloves. You don't necessary have to use one pair for each snake, but it is easier to effectively sanitize the glove's surface than your hands (full of crevices). Take pic of the male's condition and send ASAP to the person who sold you the snakes.
Good luck!
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11-03-2002, 10:11 AM
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Those guys are correct! What has worked pretty well for me, when I get something in the has RI... put each snake in a separate ten gallon tank... put a 150 watt basking light on each tank on ONE SIDE of the tank, and put a large waterbowl on the other side.... leave the light ON for about 48 hours straight! Put a hide box in under the light.... That USUALLY takes care of it....
It probably happened because there wasn't sufficient heat packs in the shipping box and they got very cold!
Good luck, and let us know how it worked??
....Neil
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11-03-2002, 04:46 PM
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td> Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What you have is a respatory infection</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td> Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they are trying to fight-off the respiratory infection </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td> Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Those guys are correct! What has worked pretty well for me, when I get something in the has RI... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I respect all three of you guys quite a bit and I am inclined to think that the diagnosis was correct but it really isn't appropriate to diagnose or reccomend treatment online having never seen the animal.
While the reccomended treatments are correct for URI and if an animal was in front of me with those symptoms, I'd start it on those treatments immediately, the animal is not in front of me... or any of you... There exists a potential, however small, that this is something else and it's inappropriate and dangerous to reccomend treatment or diagnose like this...
What is good advice if you don't feel qualified to make a determination on your own however is...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td> Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">TAKE THE MALE TO A VET!!!! </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td> Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ISOLATE HIM!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
::shakes his head sadly:: I expected a more responsible response from you guys, I'm very ashamed for all of you, diagnosing an animal over the internet with minimal descriptions of the symptoms, having never seen it and without a vetrinary liscence... I want all of you to write "I will not diagnose animals online." one hundred times and e-mail me a scan to prove you've learned your lesson.
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11-03-2002, 05:33 PM
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Okay,,,i will be the first one...I normally never get involved in these sort of things;;;but oh well...Seamus,,,i do not know how many animals(snakes) you have,,or have had,,,but what he has described is R.I...Period!!!! Are you saying that he SHOULD NOT isolate the male?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> I feel very sorry for the animals that you have..i feel confdent in my ""online""diagnosis..I would have said the same thing if this person had called me and asked the same question...Since you think our diagnosis is unwarranted,,,what DO YOU think it is?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
Jeff
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11-03-2002, 05:46 PM
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Just to clarify a few things,,,i did not recommend treatment other than to isolate the male,,since he is the one blowing snot,,and to crank the heat,,and get them to a vet...I DEAL WTH EMERALDS AND GREEN TREES,,and they are notorious for R.I.s,,,so i do feel that my diagnosis,,as you like to call it,,,is right on the money!!!! When he takes them to a vet,,,they will give him "Baytril"" just as i said they would...Chen,,your animals life depends on what you do,,and how soon you do it...And just for the record,,,Seamus,,your comment about writing something 100 times??,,,I did not appreciate that at all...I am not sure of the type of people you are used to dealing with,,,but in the future,,,NEVER make a comment directed towards ME,,as if you were talking to a school kid!!!!! I am far from a child..Anyone on this board that knows me,,,can attest to the fact that i am being very polite in asking this of you...Save those comments for other people dude...
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11-03-2002, 05:50 PM
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Seamus.... I don't know, man??? I get all my breeding and medical information straight from Jake and Jesse, so it MUST be correct! You just don't know what you're talking about!!
lmao
I do have to agree with Jeff, though.... even though we've never seen the snake in question.... all the symptoms are that of URI? The onl way to clear that up is with heat and Baytril? I've never heard of any other condition that would produce "slime" in the mouth.... do you?? I'm gonna stick with Jake and Jess and all his other names, on this one! lol
GO BUCKS!! #1 !!!!
....Neil
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11-03-2002, 06:14 PM
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neil,,,you spelled BUCS wrong....Some fan you are....LOL
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11-03-2002, 06:27 PM
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Jeff.... would you believe I actually proof-read it and STILL sent it?? I must have $$ on the brain!! BUCS or BUCKS.... at this stage, they're interchangeable!! NUMBER ONE ALL THE WAY!!
BTW... Lighten up on Seamus, will ya?? He wasn't yelling at you, OR talking down to you.... that's MY JOB!! Ya dumb chit! lol
....Neil
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