Pastel without green eyes?

I only had 3 clutches.. um.. ever.. but every single baby had a solid white belly..

yep, and this one in question has a clear white belly, thanks Sam and Harold. I don't doubt it's a pastel, I've never seen a normal out of thousands this yellow. I was just questioning that his eyes aren't really green, and I read somewhere that they had to be green to be a pastel. Goes to show can't believe everything you hear and read. I think with all the different pastels out there now that, maybe that was true in the past, but now things are different.

So, back to my question a/b cinnys and YB supers. I love the lighter colored pewters and super cinnys. If I get two grazianni cinny's will there still be a chance of defects making supers? (it's a duckbill defect you are talking a/b yes?) Also....can I breed a blonde or bell pastel to a cinny to make a pewter or does it need to be a black pastel? Sorry to take you all off track here......but thanks.

here's the only pic I have handy that shows part of his belly.

Originally Posted by stevek123

yep, and this one in question has a clear white belly, thanks Sam and Harold. I don't doubt it's a pastel, I've never seen a normal out of thousands this yellow. I was just questioning that his eyes aren't really green, and I read somewhere that they had to be green to be a pastel. Goes to show can't believe everything you hear and read. I think with all the different pastels out there now that, maybe that was true in the past, but now things are different.

So, back to my question a/b cinnys and YB supers. I love the lighter colored pewters and super cinnys. If I get two grazianni cinny's will there still be a chance of defects making supers? (it's a duckbill defect you are talking a/b yes?) Also....can I breed a blonde or bell pastel to a cinny to make a pewter or does it need to be a black pastel? Sorry to take you all off track here......but thanks.

I have seen Normals very bright and yellow (if you don't doubt, why did you ask?).

Bps that exit the egg early resemble pastels. Coloration and belly patterns are not really (imo) positive indicators. When in doubt..the eyes are the final solution to the answer.

Originally Posted by stevek123

here's the only pic I have handy that shows part of his belly.

Were any of the parents a pastel.

thats a pastel

granted no blushing.. but here is a normal with a lot of yellow..


and a pure white belly

The flash is just washing out the color. Absoluely 100% A pastel. I bet a free pastel if i have a clutch of them on that conviction.

I wasn't saying that a clear white belly meant it was anything by itself.
Let me ask this, though (real question)....have you seen pastels that didn't have a clear belly?
As far as the snake in question, from the pics - its got ok color, nothing to write home about. I'm not sure what I would call it....so, Ed, you said it wasn't a pastel - why do you say that, and what is it?

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

Bps that exit the egg early resemble pastels. Coloration and belly patterns are not really (imo) positive indicators. When in doubt..the eyes are the final solution to the answer.

I tend to disagree with this statement, coloration and belly patterns have everything to do with pastels.